Just ended on e-bay

Sajen · 5th October 2010, 02:17 AM

Just ended on e-bay, what you think?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEDWX:IT

BTW, I am not the winner. Pictures from the seller.

Marcokeris · 5th October 2010, 04:17 PM

The hit (tayuman?) seems very good. The selut (yakut stones?) is veri nice. Mendak is good but more little is better for the selut.
The pictures on gayaman are very nice (i have one ladrang with the same pictures) The blade is nice but i am not sure that it is old
Pendok is, of course, nice

Sajen · 5th October 2010, 04:49 PM

Hello Marco,

yes, that is the question, is this keris an old one and worked from a empu and is the high price justified.

The seller write in his description that the stones are tested, so this are inten (diamonds) and not yakult stones. When the mendak is worked from gold it is adequate, in my humble opinion.

Regards,

Detlef

Henk · 5th October 2010, 07:26 PM

In my opinion this is a more recent manufactured keris, but well executed. Very nice. The price? The sky is the limit..........................

A. G. Maisey · 5th October 2010, 10:38 PM

Based upon what I can see in these photographs, and with my usual qualification that my opinion could change if I handled the piece, I believe that this is a keris from the period 1850 to 1930, but I do not think it is the product of an mpu, rather the product of a pande keris.

The sunggingan work is only fair average quality.

If the red slorok is kemalo that would date this dress to pre-WWII.

The material used for selut and pendok is not mentioned, we do not know if it is gold nor its quality, or if it is gold plate, or if it is gilt. This can have a massive effect on value.

If we assume that the pendok is gilded brass, and that the selut is gilded tin or copper, the price that this keris achieved is in fact quite low.

If we assume that the pendok and selut are low carat gold, the price is very, very low. In fact, it was given away.

Note that this is Solo dress, so the "prince of Jogja" spiel does not quite ring true, however, the colours used in the dress do indicate regal ownership.

Whoever got this got a very good buy indeed.

asomotif · 5th October 2010, 11:04 PM

The seller states in his Q+A :

Quote:

the gold ornaments are gilded

this is really not my style of keris, but if the age is correct and with gilded fittings and inten. Pfew. we are not to discuss prices, but this was not expensive.

David · 6th October 2010, 02:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Based upon what I can see in these photographs, and with my usual qualification that my opinion could change if I handled the piece, I believe that this is a keris from the period 1850 to 1930, but I do not think it is the product of an mpu, rather the product of a pande keris.

The sunggingan work is only fair average quality.

If the red slorok is kemalo that would date this dress to pre-WWII.

The material used for selut and pendok is not mentioned, we do not know if it is gold nor its quality, or if it is gold plate, or if it is gilt. This can have a massive effect on value.

If we assume that the pendok is gilded brass, and that the selut is gilded tin or copper, the price that this keris achieved is in fact quite low.

If we assume that the pendok and selut are low carat gold, the price is very, very low. In fact, it was given away.

Note that this is Solo dress, so the "prince of Jogja" spiel does not quite ring true, however, the colours used in the dress do indicate regal ownership.

Whoever got this got a very good buy indeed.

Alan, just to be clear, are you suggesting that the entire ensemble is 1850-1930, or is the dress from a later period?
You seem doubtful that this is the work of an mpu. Is it common for someone in the royal family to own pande made keris?
Lastly, does it seem that this keris actually properly fits in this sheath? I see no photos here or in the auction that confirm a proper fit. Is it possible that this sheath was not made for this wilah and if so can we base any possibility of regal ownership on the sheath itself?

5th October 2010, 02:17 AM	#1
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,165	Just ended on e-bay Just ended on e-bay, what you think? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEDWX:IT BTW, I am not the winner. Pictures from the seller. Attached Images

5th October 2010, 04:17 PM	#2
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	The hit (tayuman?) seems very good. The selut (yakut stones?) is veri nice. Mendak is good but more little is better for the selut. The pictures on gayaman are very nice (i have one ladrang with the same pictures) The blade is nice but i am not sure that it is old Pendok is, of course, nice

5th October 2010, 04:49 PM	#3
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,165	Hello Marco, yes, that is the question, is this keris an old one and worked from a empu and is the high price justified. The seller write in his description that the stones are tested, so this are inten (diamonds) and not yakult stones. When the mendak is worked from gold it is adequate, in my humble opinion. Regards, Detlef

5th October 2010, 07:26 PM	#4
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	In my opinion this is a more recent manufactured keris, but well executed. Very nice. The price? The sky is the limit..........................

5th October 2010, 10:38 PM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,991	Based upon what I can see in these photographs, and with my usual qualification that my opinion could change if I handled the piece, I believe that this is a keris from the period 1850 to 1930, but I do not think it is the product of an mpu, rather the product of a pande keris. The sunggingan work is only fair average quality. If the red slorok is kemalo that would date this dress to pre-WWII. The material used for selut and pendok is not mentioned, we do not know if it is gold nor its quality, or if it is gold plate, or if it is gilt. This can have a massive effect on value. If we assume that the pendok is gilded brass, and that the selut is gilded tin or copper, the price that this keris achieved is in fact quite low. If we assume that the pendok and selut are low carat gold, the price is very, very low. In fact, it was given away. Note that this is Solo dress, so the "prince of Jogja" spiel does not quite ring true, however, the colours used in the dress do indicate regal ownership. Whoever got this got a very good buy indeed.