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Mamat Lombok · 11th September 2009, 08:21 PM

Dear every one.. this is my first post , i really need to know the Dhapur of my keris ,as seen on attachment .... help me please...TQ

David · 12th September 2009, 05:50 PM

Hi Mamat Lombok, welcome to the forum.
I am afraid that i cannot give you any definitive answer to your question. Maybe others can. Better, sharper, well lit photos might be helpful. I must admit that what i can see makes me question. The two "combong" slits make me wonder because the wear on the rest of the keris does not look as bad to allow for this type of blade erosion. Just from these photos i might conclude that this might be a contemporary blade that was severely and aggressively over-washed to give it the appearance of age. I have seen similar concepts in established dhapur, but this one looks unique to me. If it is a contemporary dhapur that has no basis in an established pakem then it might not have an official dhapur name that you can hang on it. You might need to make up your own.

If it is indeed an older blade i would need to see better photos to determine whether this is it's original dhapur or whether it was altered at some point.

Rick · 12th September 2009, 06:06 PM

I'd say those combongs were deliberately placed .

I like the look of the blade even if new; not sure if it's in the proper dress .

A. G. Maisey · 12th September 2009, 10:36 PM

I cannot recall ever having seen this form, either in a book, or in reality.

It is not an alteration.

The kembang kacang, gandik and greneng have a hint of original Madura style to them; the two holes in the blade are possibly not artificial contstructs but may well be because of erosion, as both occur in areas of the blade where the core has been exposed and possibly over worked. The strange combination of this blade style and dress looks like the sort of thing that we sometimes see from Lombok.

It may well be a recent essay from our artistic friends in Madura, and dressed by an over eager dealer, but it could equally be something a little bit older with a genuine Lombok origin. Totally impossible to form a decision either way from photographs, no matter how good.

Gustav · 13th September 2009, 09:01 AM

A nice, graceful blade, Mamat Lombok

Will you clean the sarung and post some pictures?

Gustav · 27th October 2009, 02:27 PM

I found a similar keris in Malay Art Gallery: http://www.geocities.com/keris4u/ker..._2kk_banyu.htm

Looks a little bit strange to me.

11th September 2009, 08:21 PM	#1
Mamat Lombok Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: lombok-indonesia Posts: 66	my first post Dear every one.. this is my first post , i really need to know the Dhapur of my keris ,as seen on attachment .... help me please...TQ Attached Images

12th September 2009, 05:50 PM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,200	Hi Mamat Lombok, welcome to the forum. I am afraid that i cannot give you any definitive answer to your question. Maybe others can. Better, sharper, well lit photos might be helpful. I must admit that what i can see makes me question. The two "combong" slits make me wonder because the wear on the rest of the keris does not look as bad to allow for this type of blade erosion. Just from these photos i might conclude that this might be a contemporary blade that was severely and aggressively over-washed to give it the appearance of age. I have seen similar concepts in established dhapur, but this one looks unique to me. If it is a contemporary dhapur that has no basis in an established pakem then it might not have an official dhapur name that you can hang on it. You might need to make up your own. If it is indeed an older blade i would need to see better photos to determine whether this is it's original dhapur or whether it was altered at some point.

12th September 2009, 06:06 PM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,325	I'd say those combongs were deliberately placed . I like the look of the blade even if new; not sure if it's in the proper dress .

12th September 2009, 10:36 PM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,965	I cannot recall ever having seen this form, either in a book, or in reality. It is not an alteration. The kembang kacang, gandik and greneng have a hint of original Madura style to them; the two holes in the blade are possibly not artificial contstructs but may well be because of erosion, as both occur in areas of the blade where the core has been exposed and possibly over worked. The strange combination of this blade style and dress looks like the sort of thing that we sometimes see from Lombok. It may well be a recent essay from our artistic friends in Madura, and dressed by an over eager dealer, but it could equally be something a little bit older with a genuine Lombok origin. Totally impossible to form a decision either way from photographs, no matter how good.

13th September 2009, 09:01 AM	#5
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,262	A nice, graceful blade, Mamat Lombok Will you clean the sarung and post some pictures?

27th October 2009, 02:27 PM	#6
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,262	I found a similar keris in Malay Art Gallery: http://www.geocities.com/keris4u/ker..._2kk_banyu.htm Looks a little bit strange to me.