gold hilt

karset · 11th July 2009, 10:15 AM

http://cs.nga.gov.au/Detail-LRG.cfm?IRN=140710&View=LRG

nice and rare.

erikscollectables · 11th July 2009, 11:16 AM

Yes there are some great kerisses and hilts in musea all over the world.

Here in Holland we have obviously many many superb pieces in musea that unfortunately are rarely on display.

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Originally Posted by karset

http://cs.nga.gov.au/Detail-LRG.cfm?IRN=140710&View=LRG

nice and rare.

Sajen · 11th July 2009, 11:57 AM

Thank you Karset,

very nice hilt!

sajen

David · 11th July 2009, 03:11 PM

Very nice. Let's just put it up here. You never know when these linked sources will just disappear.

The information on this site says the hilt is gold and cinnabar. This confuses me a bit because AFAIK cinnabar is a mineral that is basically the ore for mercury. I am not sure how it can be used to make a hilt. Any ideas?

kronckew · 11th July 2009, 06:51 PM

cinnabar is a blood red mineral that carves well and is used in conjunction with gold to produce jewellery.

could this be a gold cover on a cinnabar stone core? any red bits showing on th other side perhaps? i find it hard to believe they'd make that of solid gold. aside from the expense it'd make the keris quite heavy to carry if it were and the balance would be terrible.

or more regionally correct an indonesian talisman container made of gold, silver and cinnabar

you can just make out the dark red-brown stone behind the gold scrollwork.

Linky it's actually from the same site as the hilt.

another indonesian item from the same site. cinnabar more obvious. moluccan

buginese disks, gold alloy filligree over cinnabar, islamic

David · 11th July 2009, 08:57 PM

Ah, thanks, i didn't realize they used it this way. The hilt most probably is not solid gold, though if it were it would be a matter of status and not a fighting blade so balance would not be an issue.
I think it is fairly clear though that the gold is overlaid on something for this hilt. I would imagine if it is cinnabar that it was a mighty big chunk and is probably pretty heavy as well.

khalifah muda · 13th July 2009, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by David

Very nice. Let's just put it up here. You never know when these linked sources will just disappear.

The information on this site says the hilt is gold and cinnabar. This confuses me a bit because AFAIK cinnabar is a mineral that is basically the ore for mercury. I am not sure how it can be used to make a hilt. Any ideas?

a very good example of eastern artifact i should say. nice & popping my eyes...pheeww

11th July 2009, 10:15 AM	#1
karset Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 48	gold hilt http://cs.nga.gov.au/Detail-LRG.cfm?IRN=140710&View=LRG nice and rare.

11th July 2009, 03:11 PM	#4
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	Very nice. Let's just put it up here. You never know when these linked sources will just disappear. The information on this site says the hilt is gold and cinnabar. This confuses me a bit because AFAIK cinnabar is a mineral that is basically the ore for mercury. I am not sure how it can be used to make a hilt. Any ideas? Attached Images

11th July 2009, 06:51 PM	#5
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	cinnabar is a blood red mineral that carves well and is used in conjunction with gold to produce jewellery. could this be a gold cover on a cinnabar stone core? any red bits showing on th other side perhaps? i find it hard to believe they'd make that of solid gold. aside from the expense it'd make the keris quite heavy to carry if it were and the balance would be terrible. or more regionally correct an indonesian talisman container made of gold, silver and cinnabar you can just make out the dark red-brown stone behind the gold scrollwork. Linky it's actually from the same site as the hilt. another indonesian item from the same site. cinnabar more obvious. moluccan buginese disks, gold alloy filligree over cinnabar, islamic Last edited by kronckew; 11th July 2009 at 07:17 PM.

11th July 2009, 11:57 AM	#3
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,165	Thank you Karset, very nice hilt! sajen

11th July 2009, 08:57 PM	#6
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	Ah, thanks, i didn't realize they used it this way. The hilt most probably is not solid gold, though if it were it would be a matter of status and not a fighting blade so balance would not be an issue. I think it is fairly clear though that the gold is overlaid on something for this hilt. I would imagine if it is cinnabar that it was a mighty big chunk and is probably pretty heavy as well.