help id these 3

casey · 24th December 2004, 11:11 PM

Can anyone help with possible dates names and areas of these.The first I think is Persian kirk.Blade length is 18.5 inches width is 1.The second I'm not sure maybe moro?length is 22.5 inches width is 1.5.The third i think is klewang the length is 16.5 inches width starts at 1 and spreads to 1.5 near tip. Sorry pics don't show full length.

nechesh · 24th December 2004, 11:19 PM

Hi Casey. The second one does appear to be a Moro kris, but i'm afraid you will have to do better with the photos if you want some more concise info. From what i CAN see the hilt looks fairly new and it seems the baca-baca clamp that secures the hilt to the blade is missing. It would be nice to see the entire blade as well as close-ups of the base and hilt.

casey · 25th December 2004, 12:09 AM

sorry to dissappoint i'll take some better photos as soon as possible.My camera is out of action at the moment.Thanks for the reply and all the best.
Casey

RhysMichael · 25th December 2004, 12:19 AM

Casey
I cannot help you at all with the first but it does appear to be pattern welded.
The second is definitely a moro kris Sundang with better pictures someone here will pin it down more for you . You can also look here
http://home.earthlink.net/~federicom...aponsmain.html

The last could be a Parang Sumbawa but may not be right without better pictures of the blade shape and handle. Does it look like this http://perso.wanadoo.fr/taman.sari/p...awa/sum01a.jpg
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/taman.sari/p...awa/sum01p.jpg.
if so you can find more on it at this great site
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/taman.sari/
The naga I have been told is common on weapons from Sumatra
I hope this helps and I look forward to seeing the other pictures

Yannis · 25th December 2004, 01:10 AM

First sword is a big question for me. Hilt and form of the blade look like european 18th 19th century military sword but...

Scabbard is oriental, most possible ottoman and blade is... alien! This pattern of damascus i have seen only in new custom made blades.

If this is not a "joke", you have something very special there, my friend! More pictures would help...

tom hyle · 25th December 2004, 02:55 AM

Am I missing something? Isn't it ladder pattern layered steel with a scarf-welded blade base? I'm not seeing anything real unusual about that?....

24th December 2004, 11:11 PM	#1
casey Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: australia Posts: 13	help id these 3 Can anyone help with possible dates names and areas of these.The first I think is Persian kirk.Blade length is 18.5 inches width is 1.The second I'm not sure maybe moro?length is 22.5 inches width is 1.5.The third i think is klewang the length is 16.5 inches width starts at 1 and spreads to 1.5 near tip. Sorry pics don't show full length. Attached Images

24th December 2004, 11:19 PM	#2
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Hi Casey. The second one does appear to be a Moro kris, but i'm afraid you will have to do better with the photos if you want some more concise info. From what i CAN see the hilt looks fairly new and it seems the baca-baca clamp that secures the hilt to the blade is missing. It would be nice to see the entire blade as well as close-ups of the base and hilt.

25th December 2004, 12:09 AM	#3
casey Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: australia Posts: 13	sorry to dissappoint i'll take some better photos as soon as possible.My camera is out of action at the moment.Thanks for the reply and all the best. Casey

25th December 2004, 12:19 AM	#4
RhysMichael Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 520	Casey I cannot help you at all with the first but it does appear to be pattern welded. The second is definitely a moro kris Sundang with better pictures someone here will pin it down more for you . You can also look here http://home.earthlink.net/~federicom...aponsmain.html The last could be a Parang Sumbawa but may not be right without better pictures of the blade shape and handle. Does it look like this http://perso.wanadoo.fr/taman.sari/p...awa/sum01a.jpg http://perso.wanadoo.fr/taman.sari/p...awa/sum01p.jpg. if so you can find more on it at this great site http://perso.wanadoo.fr/taman.sari/ The naga I have been told is common on weapons from Sumatra I hope this helps and I look forward to seeing the other pictures

25th December 2004, 01:10 AM	#5
Yannis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Athens Greece Posts: 479	First sword is a big question for me. Hilt and form of the blade look like european 18th 19th century military sword but... Scabbard is oriental, most possible ottoman and blade is... alien! This pattern of damascus i have seen only in new custom made blades. If this is not a "joke", you have something very special there, my friend! More pictures would help...

25th December 2004, 02:55 AM	#6
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	Am I missing something? Isn't it ladder pattern layered steel with a scarf-welded blade base? I'm not seeing anything real unusual about that?....