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This is an extention of the jawa demam and raksasa discussions going on.
Here are four figural hilts that I used to call raksasa as in the flesh eating demon from the ramayana. They have a series of characteristics that can be found in each one (and one small difference which makes two subtypes to me) Who can help specify/identify the specific character?
Well that was all I could find and here are the photo's! |
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It seems I can answer my own question.
Just reread Jenssen krisdisk chapter 3 and 4 what I should have done before! He describes this character as Bima, the fiercest of the Pandawa brothers. Are there other opinions on this then what Jenssen wrote? If there are other sources I can read about this please let me know! Regards, Erik And the thing aroudn the ear is called sumping ron which is a leaflike jewellery! Last edited by erikscollectables; 14th May 2009 at 08:56 PM. |
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Hello Erik,
first off all i want to tell you that there are more different "subtypes" of this form. I have 9 handles of this form in my collection and there are two which have a garuda mungkur in the back, one have a diadem in front of the head and two I have where the hands are floral carved. When I find the time I will take some pictures to show this. Second I have to agree with David. Jenssen don't give a source from where he know that this is Bima for sure. sajen |
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I totally agree there are more subtypes of this type of hilt I tried to find as many specimens of this specifice type without all the exceptions. Would love to see the types you have. In chapter 3 and 4 Jenssen describes at least 6 subtypes. the one with the garuda mungkur not I think, what is it? I have another strange version I will include here but it certainly is not the same as the mentioned Bima figural hilt. It is a crossed arms version with a snake on the back. Maybe links to the type you mention? Not so far away from a jawa demam, very old and quite worn. Regards, Erik |
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Hello Erik, yes this seems to be a garuda mungkur. Maybe later at the eving I will post some pictures. sajen |
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On the back a Garuda mungkur Marco |
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...then again, i believe that Bima has been depicted with a moustache, so maybe those "fangs" aren't fangs afterall.
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David and others,
What are the opinions on Jenssen? To me (only 2 years interested in the subject and with only a small library) it seems to be the best resource in a language I can read. That does not make everything in the book true of course but a good basis for at least an hypothesis I would say. So the hypothesis would be it is Bima. I have not been able after some reading and googling to confirm nor deny the hypothesis yet. Any opinions on the character being Bima? And what are the opinions on the Krisdisk, is there a better book around? Regards, Erik |
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I wouldn't say that "the hypothesis would be it is Bima". That is, apparently, Jensen's hypothesis, but i have never read that from any other author i am familiar with. Perhaps someone who has the Kris Disc can fill us in on what exactly has lead Jensen to his hypothesis. If he has no sources and no observational reasoning for his statement then it is more a guess than a hypothesis. ![]() ![]() |
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