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Hi
Just picked up the attached sword in my local antique shop. It was quiet rusted when I got it but cleaned up well Nice sword in just the condition I like it with lots of age shown there are some star stamps on the blade but the pictures did not come out great. There is also a small hole in the fuller where I presume a nail once mounted the sword in an old collection, Blade length of 80 cm Found some evidence of previous gold leaf on the handle which was nice to find What I found interesting is the damage on the guard, took a lot of energy to do this, i was going to straighten it out but then I noticed the guard is made of two layers which you can hopefully see in the photo. I would have imagined that the guard would all be made from the one sheet interesting that they took the time to laminate it. Would anyone hazard a guess on the age of this sword? And would yo go Firangi or khanda Many thanks and a happy new year to all. Regards Ken |
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Close up on blade stamp, finally got decent shot
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Firangi. 19th century with an older blade....
My two cents. Happy new year! ![]() Marius |
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When we had only Rawson, Egerton and Stone the answer would have been much easier: straight blade without widened tip, lack of retaining plates = Firangi when the blade is European or Dhup when the blade is local. With all of the above = Khanda.
Elgood’s book ( the Jodhpur one) threw a monkey wrench into this simple approach: he calls Khanda both straight and curved blades, both with and a without retaining plates, both spoon-like and straight tips, with either basket or Tulwar handles. And all combinations thereof. I am sure he has a reason for it, but I am still at a loss..... |
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Maybe Elgood had a reason to call this Khanda, but what if his reason was wrong?! ![]() |
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Happy new year all
i think Elgood call them khanda because the hilt is a khanda style. Firangi means only Franks, Crusaders or strangers Because the blades were imported from Europe. But like you Marius I would call this sword a firangi. Ken your sword is very very beautiful, please send us a zoom on the ricasso and also the marks... The hole was used to fix a previous hilt...I'm just kidding. Kubur ![]() |
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Hello Ken,
After seeing the detailed photos, I would estimate both the hilt and the blade to be 18th century. |
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Among many examples there is one with the word “khanda” in the inscription.
But only one. There are several non-spatulated blades without handles, there are several non-spatulated ones with Tulwar handle etc. Can Elgood be wrong? Sure. But he spent years researching the topic and is not exactly a superficial guy:-) I would like to know the reason and the way of his thinking before I disagree with him. Wouldn’t you? |
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