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I am dispensing with Javanese terms about keris privacy. I think that my blades are to be used for discussion. I acquired them because I like them. I have no illusions about my knowledge or lack of knowledge as to technical details and invite your discussion.
I am a collector. I do not sell, nor have any intent to sell, nor to explain my source. These keris are stored away in a vault for the past few years with temperature and humidity controlled. If you want to see more pictures, it may take a while to dig through my files. So here is one of my favorites and am using a name that comes to my mind. The Elephant. I invite your comments. Thank you, Bill |
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I also have a keris in my collection that has a winged, crowned elephant motif at the base of the blade as does yours. It is a contemporary blade as i believe yours is as well. I have never photographed this blade and it is currently in storage so i probably won't be showing it anytime soon, but i have seen this motif many times. It might be interesting to aim at least part of this discussion at the symbolism behind this creature. |
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Hello Bill,
The winged elephant motif on the sorsoran is normally part of the dapur Lar Monga with 3 waves, or Liman Lar with 11 waves, not 13 as your blade. I can understand why you like this blade because the design and workmanship are quite spectacular, what puzzles me is that the style of the elephant head is different on each side? As said by David, I think that it is probably a recent creation, normally the blade is not carved through like yours, see a more traditional blade with dapur Lar Monga/ Urubing Dilah. Regards |
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Are you aware of what the significance of the number of luks in the tradition form you speak of means or what place or meaning this particular winged elephant motif might serve? |
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My specimen seems to have some age and the elephant head not carved more recently but I can't guarantee it. The 2 dapur types which I have mentioned with this winged elephant motif are recognized ones (Mangar Mongla with 3 luk by Haryoguritno and the reference book Dhapur, and Liman Lar with 11 luk in the EK). However I don't know whether the number of luks of the blades with this motif has any significance or not. Regards |
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I think I will dig out both of these and bring further pictures. I find something that I like and it grabs me. Why? ![]() I was in a hurry and added in the second elephant keris not meaning to do so, nor to confused. |
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