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11th March 2010, 10:48 PM | #1 |
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Malay (?) keris from Ebay
Dear All,
this one just ended on Ebay. It interested me, becouse I have never seen a Malay(?) sandang walikat sheet. Also the hilt form (Hulu Burung Serindit (?)) is not often seen. The blade seems to be in very good condition (if it is old). |
11th March 2010, 10:55 PM | #2 |
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The hilt and sheath (Not so much patina?).
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11th March 2010, 11:06 PM | #3 |
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very good...i like a lot the hit, but also sarong and the blade seem nice (pamor tritik?)
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11th March 2010, 11:27 PM | #4 |
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I could be much more certain of my following comments were I to have this keris in my hand, however, here are my immediate impressions:-
1)--- blade is very recent Madura 2)--- hilt is recent Madura production 3)--- scabbard is an old one that has been reshaped to a sandang walikat form, and the piece of horn added to the top to allow perfect fitting of a blade that does not belong with this scabbard. This appears to be a recent, high class and deliberate attempt to decieve. |
11th March 2010, 11:43 PM | #5 |
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Hi Alan, the clues that triggered your impressions ; would you care to elaborate for our edification ?
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12th March 2010, 06:24 AM | #6 |
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Blade:- if it looks like a duck, it is a duck, and I've seen thousands of this particular breed of duck. This is not an exaggeration.
Handle:- I've seen this hilt motif in new hilts from Madura, and it looks like Sumenep work, but I'm not nearly so certain of this as I am of the blade; it could probably come from anywhere where good quality carving is still done. Scabbard:- I've seen the horn glued to the top of the wrongko to ensure good fit a few times, but never on anything old; the actual wood itself looks oldish, it may not have originally been a keris scabbard, but something else; the ivory buntut is perfect and obviously new, normally they're patinated and with a crack or two. As always when looking at pics, I could be wrong --- but overall I don't think I am. I tend to automatically distrust anything I have not seen before, and I've never seen anything at all like this. With all the keris I have seen and handled, I should have, if it is a genuine type. |
21st March 2010, 01:29 AM | #7 |
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1)--- blade is very recent Madura
2)--- hilt is recent Madura production This appears to be a recent, high class and deliberate attempt to decieve.[/QUOTE] Hi Alan, can you please advise how did you define the blade is recent Madura ? is that way to say the blade is newly made or it was made in Madura (place)? cause I know some mpu also made kerisses in Jogjakarta and others.. |
21st March 2010, 04:52 AM | #8 |
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Yes, so do I.
This blade is not Central Javanese work. I don't think I want to comment further in this matter. I have stated my opinion. It is of no moment to me if my opinion is accepted or not, and I am unable to alter my opinion in the physical absence of the keris itself. I've already given a lot of my time to this thread, and the thread as it has developed has diverged into matters that really do not interest me in even the slightest degree. |
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