Sword ID Indian,English, Arabian?

mykeris · 1st September 2006, 04:53 AM

I got this sword from a Malay family in Malaysia. Hopefully to get your professional opinion on what kind of sword is this. Thanks in advance.

mykeris · 1st September 2006, 05:03 AM

More pictures. Length in scabbard 36 inches, Length of blade 32 1/2 inches, width of blade 1 1/2 inches. About one quarter on top of blade is sharp (like the Malay Tempius) while the bottom edge is very sharp.

Alam Shah · 1st September 2006, 05:31 AM

I'm no professional, but this is what I think.

The hilt, looks like a Batak Piso Pedang hilt. Normally the blade is curved. This example have a straight blade. The scabbard is unusual but was made for the blade, Malay-styled. Other more knowledgeable forumite can fill-in...

ariel · 1st September 2006, 03:39 PM

I fully agree. Good catch. I certainly would not kick it out of my collection. I have a Piso Podang with old European straight blade: Portugese?
Is the blade plated?

katana · 1st September 2006, 04:16 PM

The hilt has 'similar design' elements to the Tulwar.....but less restrictive...no large disc pommel. Is there any connection?

ariel · 1st September 2006, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by katana

The hilt has 'similar design' elements to the Tulwar.....but less restrictive...no large disc pommel. Is there any connection?

This is a direct descendant. This hilt was brought to Sumatra by the Hindus. Elgood discusses an Indian sword with the same handle.

B.I · 1st September 2006, 06:01 PM

nice sword.
think this is definately rick's (rswords) territory, as i know he's done some research on these. they take direct influence from the early tulwar form of the 16thC (elgood shows a genuine moghul one in his latest book).
the blade looks as if its been cut down (the fullers travel to the end). wonder if the blade was taken from a firangi, as the style is of the same type.
i've always loved the shape of these things, maybe because i like early indian pieces.

edit -
ariel, we crossed posts, and you got in there first with the elgood link

1st September 2006, 04:53 AM	#1
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	Sword ID Indian,English, Arabian? I got this sword from a Malay family in Malaysia. Hopefully to get your professional opinion on what kind of sword is this. Thanks in advance. Attached Images

1st September 2006, 05:03 AM	#2
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	More pictures More pictures. Length in scabbard 36 inches, Length of blade 32 1/2 inches, width of blade 1 1/2 inches. About one quarter on top of blade is sharp (like the Malay Tempius) while the bottom edge is very sharp. Attached Images

1st September 2006, 05:31 AM	#3
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Piso Pedang hilt... I'm no professional, but this is what I think. The hilt, looks like a Batak Piso Pedang hilt. Normally the blade is curved. This example have a straight blade. The scabbard is unusual but was made for the blade, Malay-styled. Other more knowledgeable forumite can fill-in...

1st September 2006, 03:39 PM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I fully agree. Good catch. I certainly would not kick it out of my collection. I have a Piso Podang with old European straight blade: Portugese? Is the blade plated?

1st September 2006, 04:16 PM	#5
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	The hilt has 'similar design' elements to the Tulwar.....but less restrictive...no large disc pommel. Is there any connection?

1st September 2006, 06:01 PM	#7
B.I Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 485	nice sword. think this is definately rick's (rswords) territory, as i know he's done some research on these. they take direct influence from the early tulwar form of the 16thC (elgood shows a genuine moghul one in his latest book). the blade looks as if its been cut down (the fullers travel to the end). wonder if the blade was taken from a firangi, as the style is of the same type. i've always loved the shape of these things, maybe because i like early indian pieces. edit - ariel, we crossed posts, and you got in there first with the elgood link