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Here is a pedang that I think Balinese. This is the first time I see one of this type.
Unfortunately there was no sheath. ![]() Compared to the few Balinese pedang lurus I have seen until now, I was surprised by its relatively long length. (blade + hilt : 69cm) Have you ever seen similar pedang? What would a sheath look like for this type of blade? |
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Hello Sevérin,
Congrats! I'm sure this blade deserves a polish and carful staining. Length doesn't seem unusual for a full-size example. I've seen these pedang with fairly utilitarian scabbards. This one probably had a nicer one though... Regards, Kai |
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Just stumbled about this thread, it seems that I have overlooked it when get posted. Congrats Sevérin, a beautiful blade! I still would call it cundrik!
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It is a balinese wedung. I've seen these before with such a long blade.
This how the scabbard looks like. |
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Hello Henk,
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While the hilt may be related, I also doubt that Sevérin's blade is of primarily ceremonial function... Could you post one of the long blades with fitting scabbard that you mentioned, please? Regards, Kai |
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Yes, I know the term "Balinese wedung" but we know that this knife is known as tiuk pengentas, please see here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=wedung A tiuk pengentas has always a scabbard like the one you have shown in post #4 and a somewhat belly shaped edge. The blade in question is from the form clearly a stabbing weapon and for sure not for ceremonial meaning. ![]() So I doubt that this knife has had once a scabbard like a tiuk pengentas simple because it isn't such a knife. ![]() ![]() I still think that we can call it cundrik. Regards, Detlef |
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The word "tiuk" in Balinese means "knife", this object is 65cm. long, a bit too long for a knife.
As far as I am aware, the word "cundrik" does not exist in Balinese, but Lalu Djelengga uses it in his book, so apparently it is a legitimate term in Lombok for a shortish pedang, but the examples Djelengga gives differ substantially from the example we have here. The word "cuntrik" (pron. chuntri(k) the "k" is a glottal stop) does exist which is clearly a variant spelling, and a picture of a "keris cuntrik" in the Den Pasar Museum is below. In Balinese the usual word for a sword-like weapon is "peding", the Balinese variant on "pedang". The word "cundrik" is usually taken as a Javanese word, where it is a generic term for a dagger, and also the name of a keris dhapur. In any case, whatever we care to call this sword, it is a pretty nice thing. EDIT I just remembered this one in the Neka in Ubud. This is "Ki Pedang Nagaraja". The text about this pedang refers to it as a "keris" with the dhapur pedang. We must remember that the text of "Keris Bali" is written in Bahasa Indonesia by a Javanese gentleman. Last edited by A. G. Maisey; 21st March 2020 at 12:59 PM. |
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Hello Detlef,
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Hello Kai,
Here in The Netherlands it is called by the older collectors a wedung from Bali. Although wedung is as you say Javanese balinese wedung is probably a Dutch classification. Unfortunately I cann't show you such a wedung because these examples are in the collection of some elder Dutch collectors i used to visit years ago with the invitation of a deceased friend of my. In those days making pictures of the collections of these gentlemen was not done. Showing these items to others neither. |
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