Proposed German Cultural Property Protection Law: likely problem for ethnographic arms and armor collectors

castellum aquilonis · 27th July 2015, 09:08 PM

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"The stipulations of the amendment of the law on the Protection of Cultural Heritage threaten the collecting of cultural objects by private individuals. This law will effect everybody specialized in traditional collecting fields, such as books, stamps, furniture, ceramics, coins, classic cars and paintings. Retroactively, this new law will impose due diligence guidelines that are impossible to follow even for the most meticulous collector. When it comes to a dispute, the law will require, by reversing the burden of proof, the owner of a “cultural good” with a value of at least 2,500 euros to provide proof as to the item’s provenance for the previous 20 years; this affects “archaeological cultural goods” with a value as low as 100 euros.
This is an unrealistic demand which misrepresents most of the objects that are currently traded on the domestic and the international art market in full accordance with the law as being illegal, and will result in a considerable decline in value of the objects in question.“

Those with an interest in this issue are encouraged to visit the above web site to learn more about it.

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www.openpetition.de/petition/online/fuer-den-erhalt-des-privaten-sammelns

Ian · 28th July 2015, 11:58 PM

Castellum aquilonis:

Thank you for bringing this issue to the attention of forum members and others visiting this site.

Ian.

spiral · 29th July 2015, 12:28 AM

Often with such approaches in the EEC its Germany tomorrow... the rest of Europe next year...

Thanks for the heads up castellum aquilonis!

spiral

Rick · 29th July 2015, 12:48 AM

An outrage .
"Yes, as through this world I've wandered
I've seen lots of funny men
Some will rob you with a six-gun
And some with a fountain pen ."

Woody Guthrie

A. G. Maisey · 29th July 2015, 12:55 AM

If one sees a steamroller coming down the street, one does not stand in front of it, but finds a way around it.

spiral · 29th July 2015, 01:13 AM

A fellow kukri collector currently has legal trouble in Europe for importing a few kukris from Australia, including a very old ivory handled kukri,{amogst others.} without the correct cities paperwork...

He bought it assuming it was a bone hilt,.....From bad photos...

The prosecutor's have found a photo over 15 years old & 3 owners apart {All members of this forum...} which described it as ivory on an American forum.

There using that old post as evidence against him...

spiral

trenchwarfare · 29th July 2015, 02:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

If one sees a steamroller coming down the street, one does not stand in front of it, but finds a way around it.

Unfortunately, the average citizen (of any country) is like a cartoon character, and will run in front of it, till he trips and falls. Or just lay down, and accept the inevitable.

castellum aquilonis · 29th July 2015, 01:11 AM

I assume that this is about the total control of personal property, and a few people who had the feeling not having enough attention in their area of politics wanted to get more attention.
Very interesting article above.
I hope they will change or totally drop this insane law.

We have all the laws we need or do not need already.

Most collectors treat their items much better as any museum could do, we also have to remember that.

27th July 2015, 09:08 PM	#1
castellum aquilonis Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 47	Proposed German Cultural Property Protection Law: likely problem for ethnographic arms and armor collectors https://translate.google.de/translat...-text=&act=url "The stipulations of the amendment of the law on the Protection of Cultural Heritage threaten the collecting of cultural objects by private individuals. This law will effect everybody specialized in traditional collecting fields, such as books, stamps, furniture, ceramics, coins, classic cars and paintings. Retroactively, this new law will impose due diligence guidelines that are impossible to follow even for the most meticulous collector. When it comes to a dispute, the law will require, by reversing the burden of proof, the owner of a “cultural good” with a value of at least 2,500 euros to provide proof as to the item’s provenance for the previous 20 years; this affects “archaeological cultural goods” with a value as low as 100 euros. This is an unrealistic demand which misrepresents most of the objects that are currently traded on the domestic and the international art market in full accordance with the law as being illegal, and will result in a considerable decline in value of the objects in question.“ Those with an interest in this issue are encouraged to visit the above web site to learn more about it. https://translate.google.de/translat...-text=&act=url www.openpetition.de/petition/online/fuer-den-erhalt-des-privaten-sammelns Last edited by Ian; 28th July 2015 at 11:50 PM.

29th July 2015, 01:11 AM	#8
castellum aquilonis Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 47	Germany I assume that this is about the total control of personal property, and a few people who had the feeling not having enough attention in their area of politics wanted to get more attention. Very interesting article above. I hope they will change or totally drop this insane law. We have all the laws we need or do not need already. Most collectors treat their items much better as any museum could do, we also have to remember that.

28th July 2015, 11:58 PM	#2
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,200	Castellum aquilonis: Thank you for bringing this issue to the attention of forum members and others visiting this site. Ian.

29th July 2015, 12:28 AM	#3
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	Often with such approaches in the EEC its Germany tomorrow... the rest of Europe next year... Thanks for the heads up castellum aquilonis! spiral

29th July 2015, 12:48 AM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	An outrage . "Yes, as through this world I've wandered I've seen lots of funny men Some will rob you with a six-gun And some with a fountain pen ." Woody Guthrie

29th July 2015, 12:55 AM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,892	If one sees a steamroller coming down the street, one does not stand in front of it, but finds a way around it.

29th July 2015, 01:13 AM	#6
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	A fellow kukri collector currently has legal trouble in Europe for importing a few kukris from Australia, including a very old ivory handled kukri,{amogst others.} without the correct cities paperwork... He bought it assuming it was a bone hilt,.....From bad photos... The prosecutor's have found a photo over 15 years old & 3 owners apart {All members of this forum...} which described it as ivory on an American forum. There using that old post as evidence against him... spiral