Warranted 1796 Sword

pbleed · 28th March 2010, 06:24 PM

Friends,
Once again I climb the learning curve of posting on this forum to seek expert insights on a sword I recently acquired. It is certainly a model of 1796 British light cavalry sword in overall nice shape. I bought it because it presents a nice etched panel saying "Tomlinson&Co, Warranted Never to Fail" I assumed that research on this mark would be easy, but searching has revealed very little. I am sure that panel is legitmate, but I wonder why there seems to be so little on these warrants and nothing on Tomlinson.
I will appreciate the groups insightful wisdom
Peter

pbleed · 28th March 2010, 06:37 PM

I hope this image will arrive to show the warrant panel I just disussed
PB

pbleed · 29th March 2010, 01:49 AM

Dear Friends,
I hope I am asking a question that is appropriate to the list. Another image might show the location of the etched panel more clearly. It is on the left face of the blade, immediatly forward of the recasso.
Peter

M ELEY · 29th March 2010, 05:02 AM

Hello Peter. I'm not the one to ask on this type of sword, but I know that eventually, someone is going to ask you to post a pic of the whole piece to get a good idea of what we're looking at. I can say that sayings like 'warranted' and 'cast steel', etc, were frequently seen on early tools dating back well into the 18th century. I've heard of the warranted marking appearing on late 19th century swords, such as Civil War pieces, but am unfamiliar with any on such an early make of sword. Let's see what others have to say-

Jim McDougall · 29th March 2010, 06:17 AM

Hi Peter,
This is truly an incredibly interesting anomaly as I have seen these 'warranted' inscriptions on British swords, but have never heard of this firm nor seen this this style of lettering in this period.

In 1788, the British board of ordnance began a survey of the quality of British made blades against the ever present import of German made blades. The key makers involved in this matter were Birmingham makers Samuel Harvey, James Wooley and the most outspoken proponent Thomas Gill. In 1788, the light cavalry sabres which are classified as pattern 1788 were made by James Wooley and Thomas Gill, and I am uncertain of which others or if Harvey was producing them.
The well known J.J.Runkel was a German importer living in England, and typically marked his name in script on the back of the blades as was the style for blades of the period.

To pronounce the superiority of his blades, Gill typically marked on the back of the blade 'WARRANTED NEVER TO FAIL'. Wooley did not use this guarantee but did place his name on the blade accordingly.

In 1796, the new model cavalry sabres began production at the behest of then LeMarchant who had proposed a new style sabre, and one of the first makers was Henry Osborn who had worked with him in developing the pattern. Apparantly the friction between the British and German blades prevailed still and it is known that Osborn often added 'warranted' to his name on the blades.
On the 1796 light cavalry swords Thomas Gill, still apparantly inscribed his blades, now on the face of the blade in this fashion, with 'Tho. Gills, Warranted Never to Fail'. These were believed to have been for a yeomanry contract as many of these swords and scabbards were numbered.

In 1792 a shortsword is recorded with Thomas Gills 'warranted never to fail on the blade back'.

While there were a number of makers producing the M1796 light cavalry sabres, most blades were simply stamped on the back with the makers name as remained a practice through the 19th century. I had honestly not seen M1796 sabres with this inscription until seeing this, but apparantly the Gill examples were the only ones using it, and in the cursive script of the period rather than block letters.

Robson ("Swords of the British Army", p.190) notes the written guarantee on blades and that Gill on some earlier blades had also issued 'warranted to cut iron' guarantees in the same manner (much akin to the German 'eisenhauer' =iron cutter, markings on blades). He also notes that swords were privately purchased by the regiments and that often these were bought in bulk by the Board of Ordnance, these examples often unmarked.

In these early times the swords that were marked were only briefly stamped with the last name or that and initial on the back of the blade, with the exception of these 'warranted' issues. It was unusual as far as I know for a maker using the '& Co.' suffix until later in the 19th century, and this was a practice usually indicated to outfitters or retailers.

The M1796 was replaced in 1821 by a three bar guarded hilt type sword with a narrower cut and thrust type sabre blade, though it remained in service considerably longer in yeomanry and auxiliary units and colonial service.

While the inscription here is most unusual, it does seem compelling, and I am wondering if perhaps an outfitter retailing these swords for units such as auxiliary types as these were transitioning out of service might have embellished the blade using this probably well known phrase in these times.

In any case a very intriguing example and I look forward to other thoughts and information. Most of what I have noted here is from collecting British military swords many years ago.

All best regards,
Jim

Ian Knight · 29th March 2010, 10:28 AM

Hello Peter,
The only two references that I can find to a Tomlinson are in 'Swords and Sword Makers of England and Scotland' by Bezdek. There was a cutler named Samson Tomlinson working at Coleshill Street in Birmingham from 1803-1821. There is a further reference to Samsom Tomlinson in the same book:
William Bickley & Samson Tomlinson of Moor Street, Birmingham 1792-1800.

There is also another example of a British P1796 light cavalry sword by Tomlinson & Co. on the excellent 'Old Swords' web site.

Ian

28th March 2010, 06:24 PM	#1
pbleed Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Little Rock, Arkansas Posts: 88	Warranted 1796 Sword Friends, Once again I climb the learning curve of posting on this forum to seek expert insights on a sword I recently acquired. It is certainly a model of 1796 British light cavalry sword in overall nice shape. I bought it because it presents a nice etched panel saying "Tomlinson&Co, Warranted Never to Fail" I assumed that research on this mark would be easy, but searching has revealed very little. I am sure that panel is legitmate, but I wonder why there seems to be so little on these warrants and nothing on Tomlinson. I will appreciate the groups insightful wisdom Peter

28th March 2010, 06:37 PM	#2
pbleed Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Little Rock, Arkansas Posts: 88	warrant panel I hope this image will arrive to show the warrant panel I just disussed PB Attached Images

29th March 2010, 01:49 AM	#3
pbleed Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Little Rock, Arkansas Posts: 88	another image Dear Friends, I hope I am asking a question that is appropriate to the list. Another image might show the location of the etched panel more clearly. It is on the left face of the blade, immediatly forward of the recasso. Peter Attached Images

29th March 2010, 05:02 AM	#4
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,087	Hello Peter. I'm not the one to ask on this type of sword, but I know that eventually, someone is going to ask you to post a pic of the whole piece to get a good idea of what we're looking at. I can say that sayings like 'warranted' and 'cast steel', etc, were frequently seen on early tools dating back well into the 18th century. I've heard of the warranted marking appearing on late 19th century swords, such as Civil War pieces, but am unfamiliar with any on such an early make of sword. Let's see what others have to say-

29th March 2010, 06:17 AM	#5
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,896	Hi Peter, This is truly an incredibly interesting anomaly as I have seen these 'warranted' inscriptions on British swords, but have never heard of this firm nor seen this this style of lettering in this period. In 1788, the British board of ordnance began a survey of the quality of British made blades against the ever present import of German made blades. The key makers involved in this matter were Birmingham makers Samuel Harvey, James Wooley and the most outspoken proponent Thomas Gill. In 1788, the light cavalry sabres which are classified as pattern 1788 were made by James Wooley and Thomas Gill, and I am uncertain of which others or if Harvey was producing them. The well known J.J.Runkel was a German importer living in England, and typically marked his name in script on the back of the blades as was the style for blades of the period. To pronounce the superiority of his blades, Gill typically marked on the back of the blade 'WARRANTED NEVER TO FAIL'. Wooley did not use this guarantee but did place his name on the blade accordingly. In 1796, the new model cavalry sabres began production at the behest of then LeMarchant who had proposed a new style sabre, and one of the first makers was Henry Osborn who had worked with him in developing the pattern. Apparantly the friction between the British and German blades prevailed still and it is known that Osborn often added 'warranted' to his name on the blades. On the 1796 light cavalry swords Thomas Gill, still apparantly inscribed his blades, now on the face of the blade in this fashion, with 'Tho. Gills, Warranted Never to Fail'. These were believed to have been for a yeomanry contract as many of these swords and scabbards were numbered. In 1792 a shortsword is recorded with Thomas Gills 'warranted never to fail on the blade back'. While there were a number of makers producing the M1796 light cavalry sabres, most blades were simply stamped on the back with the makers name as remained a practice through the 19th century. I had honestly not seen M1796 sabres with this inscription until seeing this, but apparantly the Gill examples were the only ones using it, and in the cursive script of the period rather than block letters. Robson ("Swords of the British Army", p.190) notes the written guarantee on blades and that Gill on some earlier blades had also issued 'warranted to cut iron' guarantees in the same manner (much akin to the German 'eisenhauer' =iron cutter, markings on blades). He also notes that swords were privately purchased by the regiments and that often these were bought in bulk by the Board of Ordnance, these examples often unmarked. In these early times the swords that were marked were only briefly stamped with the last name or that and initial on the back of the blade, with the exception of these 'warranted' issues. It was unusual as far as I know for a maker using the '& Co.' suffix until later in the 19th century, and this was a practice usually indicated to outfitters or retailers. The M1796 was replaced in 1821 by a three bar guarded hilt type sword with a narrower cut and thrust type sabre blade, though it remained in service considerably longer in yeomanry and auxiliary units and colonial service. While the inscription here is most unusual, it does seem compelling, and I am wondering if perhaps an outfitter retailing these swords for units such as auxiliary types as these were transitioning out of service might have embellished the blade using this probably well known phrase in these times. In any case a very intriguing example and I look forward to other thoughts and information. Most of what I have noted here is from collecting British military swords many years ago. All best regards, Jim

29th March 2010, 10:28 AM	#6
Ian Knight Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: East Sussex, England. Posts: 103	Hello Peter, The only two references that I can find to a Tomlinson are in 'Swords and Sword Makers of England and Scotland' by Bezdek. There was a cutler named Samson Tomlinson working at Coleshill Street in Birmingham from 1803-1821. There is a further reference to Samsom Tomlinson in the same book: William Bickley & Samson Tomlinson of Moor Street, Birmingham 1792-1800. There is also another example of a British P1796 light cavalry sword by Tomlinson & Co. on the excellent 'Old Swords' web site. Ian