Keris with nice Naga Kinatah blade for comments

[Athanase]

Hello,

Here is my last bet (a little crazy).
I bought this Keris without seeing the blade, seduced only by the delicacy of the details of the handle and the sheath that seemed very old and atypical. But there was no picture of the blade, only a description that said: blade ornamented with leaves with remains of gilding and pamor.

Now that I have Keris in my hands, I notice that the wrangka is not adapted to this blade. The wrangka has a style that makes me think that it dates from the first half of the nineteenth century or before. By dismounting the Pendok (Banyumas?) I found an old collection numbers in Indian ink.
I have the feeling that the base of Wrangka has been filed to fit the pendok.
I suspect that originally the sheath was made of one (or two) piece of wood, without pengok, and that the lower part was damaged, it was cut and replaced by a light wood covered with a pendok.

The blade with Naga, kinatah and his atractive pamor is very nice but more recent (I think).
The description let me think of a blade with much simpler decorations so it was a real surprise when I saw the blade.
I don't test the gold, but it's very different and much finer than the kinatah made of brass that I could see.
What period could date this blade?

[Athanase]

More pictures

[Jean]

Excellent bet! The hilt (buta bajang style) and the wrangka (perahu style) are from Cirebon/ Java North Coast and the pendok seems from this area also.
IMO the blade is old, the pamor pattern and the carving are very fine, from 19th century? Ex-museum piece?
Regards

[kai]

Hello Séverin,

Congrats, another excellent acquisition!

IMVHO this blade is considerably older than the 19th c.; very good quality forging as well as sculpturing/kinatah, too.

The hilt exhibits really good workmanship. Not one of the very early hilts but a really good example with interesting details. Could you post larger pics of all sides (and the top), please?

The blade, selut, and hilt are a really fitting ensemble and may well be original.

The top/crosspiece of the scabbard seems to be intact; the stem is often crudely shaped when a pendok is covering it originally. Only close inspection may allow to verify whether the stem and/or the pendok got added later.

Regards,
Kai

[kai]

P.S.: Many collectors catalog their pieces and also mark them; thus, a number does not automatically suggest a former museum collection.

[Marcokeris]

Beautiful, very beautiful keris @@

[David]

Originally Posted by kai

IMVHO this blade is considerably older than the 19th c.; very good quality forging as well as sculpturing/kinatah, too.

The blade, selut, and hilt are a really fitting ensemble and may well be original.

Kai, i agree with most of your assessment, but i am curious what leads you to believe that this blade is "considerably" older than 19th century and also what you mean when you say "considerably".
Also, i see a mendak here, albeit an unusual one, not a selut.

[A. G. Maisey]

I think I can see a nice older keris with a very nice hilt, but for a keris that presents as this one does I am not able to give any further opinion on the blade without holding it in my hand and subjecting to microscopic examination.

The hilt is very nice indeed.

[Jean]

Well, everybody agrees that this a very nice and rare old kris!
The blade was over-cleaned (mechanically?, some rust spots are still visible) but not etched recently I think. Regarding its age, 19th century starts on year 1800 so I doubt that it is "considerably" older.
I would have hoped that Alan could say a little more about this piece even if it is difficult from the pictures.
Regards

[Jean]

The blade fits quite well into the wrongko, the gandar was probably replaced indeed but it is not visible. I am not familiar with this style of nice pendok.
There seems to be some tiny writings on the gilt deer on one side?
The naga and carvings look younger than the blade itsef (naga body especially) but it may be just an impression.
Regards

[kai]

I don't think so, Jean. The blade exhibiting the pamor just got (over-)cleaned and etched recently.

Regards,
Kai

[Athanase]

Originally Posted by Jean

The blade fits quite well into the wrongko, the gandar was probably replaced indeed but it is not visible. I am not familiar with this style of nice pendok.
There seems to be some tiny writings on the gilt deer on one side?
The naga and carvings look younger than the blade itsef (naga body especially) but it may be just an impression.
Regards

The fiting of the blade in the wrangka is not very good, the tip of the Ganja is a bit too wide and you have to force a bit to insert the blade completely.
On the deer, it's just fine line features that in my opinion are meant to represent the fur of the animal.
The body of the naga has been designed since the manufacture of the blade (I think) because it's very raised compared to the "flat" of the blade.

And thank you all for yours comments.

[David]

Originally Posted by Athanase

The fiting of the blade in the wrangka is not very good, the tip of the Ganja is a bit too wide and you have to force a bit to insert the blade completely.

A very nice keris Séverin. From my perspective it matters little whether the gandar was replaced or not. Such things happen in the life of a keris. Personally i think collectors tend to place too much emphasis of whether keris dress is completely original or not. I would place more weight on whether it is "appropriate". This ensemble looks pretty nice to me.
As to the fit, i have found that even some Jawa keris have blades that sometimes sit a little bit "proud" in their sheaths. In your case i simple allow that to be the case rather then forcing the blade to seat deeper in the opening, especially given the residual kinatah which you are quite likely to further chip away at if you keep forcing the blade into place.