Tenggerese Keris

tunggulametung · 28th November 2010, 02:57 PM

While some people believe that Majapahit keris are slim in design and light, some do believe that they are nearer to Blambangan/Bali style. As we know, other than Bali, Tenggerese are often regarded as the 'direct' descent of Majaphit population. Is there anyone with the knowledge what the Tenggerese keris looks like? A photo or two perhaps, preferably older one? Why I ask this is because this might give us hint on further understanding Majapahit keris. They are quite 'isolated' in term of geography and culture, so chances are the the new never or only slightly affected the old ways. And what your thoughts about this idea? Thanks

A. G. Maisey · 28th November 2010, 11:38 PM

Good idea!!

One I had not considered, and in my opinion well worth investigation.

However, it could be a bit difficult to carry out this type of research, as the Tenggerese people are quite a closed community. Yes, they regard themselves as being the inheritors of Majapahit, but by all accounts are very intolerant of outsiders and are totally fixated on money.

I feel it might be more than a little difficult to get close enough to those within the community who really know, and to extract the information.

Then again, maybe this part of the culture has simply been forgotten. I know personally of an example of this.

tunggulametung · 29th November 2010, 09:22 AM

I believe all you need is a good pick up line. I have an American friend who's during his travel in Indonesia uses: "suka dangdut?"
One of his best achievement by that line is Bluebird taxi driver ALWAYS allow him to smoke, something I NEVER be able to manage.

Gustav · 11th November 2011, 11:38 AM

Is ir possible, the Tenggerese have no keris culture at all? I have seen very few old photos with Tenggerese people, yet never a keris. It would mean, they were quite isolated froma very early point in the time.

A. G. Maisey · 11th November 2011, 12:05 PM

Entirely possible Gustav.

It depends upon what section of society they came from, and when.

David · 11th November 2011, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gustav

Is ir possible, the Tenggerese have no keris culture at all? I have seen very few old photos with Tenggerese people, yet never a keris. It would mean, they were quite isolated froma very early point in the time.

Well, i spent some time searching google images and did not spot a single photo, old or new, of Tenggerese with keris. Here are a selection of those images. Note that many of these are in ceremony or are of local priests where you would expect to find a keris even if they were not common amongst the general populous.

Jussi M. · 11th November 2011, 07:23 PM

Maybe they do not show their kerises in public?

28th November 2010, 02:57 PM	#1
tunggulametung Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 238	Tenggerese Keris While some people believe that Majapahit keris are slim in design and light, some do believe that they are nearer to Blambangan/Bali style. As we know, other than Bali, Tenggerese are often regarded as the 'direct' descent of Majaphit population. Is there anyone with the knowledge what the Tenggerese keris looks like? A photo or two perhaps, preferably older one? Why I ask this is because this might give us hint on further understanding Majapahit keris. They are quite 'isolated' in term of geography and culture, so chances are the the new never or only slightly affected the old ways. And what your thoughts about this idea? Thanks

28th November 2010, 11:38 PM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,896	Good idea!! One I had not considered, and in my opinion well worth investigation. However, it could be a bit difficult to carry out this type of research, as the Tenggerese people are quite a closed community. Yes, they regard themselves as being the inheritors of Majapahit, but by all accounts are very intolerant of outsiders and are totally fixated on money. I feel it might be more than a little difficult to get close enough to those within the community who really know, and to extract the information. Then again, maybe this part of the culture has simply been forgotten. I know personally of an example of this.

29th November 2010, 09:22 AM	#3
tunggulametung Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 238	I believe all you need is a good pick up line. I have an American friend who's during his travel in Indonesia uses: "suka dangdut?" One of his best achievement by that line is Bluebird taxi driver ALWAYS allow him to smoke, something I NEVER be able to manage.

11th November 2011, 11:38 AM	#4
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,249	Is ir possible, the Tenggerese have no keris culture at all? I have seen very few old photos with Tenggerese people, yet never a keris. It would mean, they were quite isolated froma very early point in the time.

11th November 2011, 12:05 PM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,896	Entirely possible Gustav. It depends upon what section of society they came from, and when.

11th November 2011, 07:23 PM	#7
Jussi M. Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 235	Maybe they do not show their kerises in public?