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Hi wizards and experts,
-New to the forum I'd like to share some images on a sword that I've been told is a Kampilan but that has a handle I haven't seen in any of your forum images Been in the family since 1930 and it was said to have been old already then when my Grandmother's brother picked it up in the Philipines I would be interested in details on its origin and what you think about the handle...(why it is different from any other handles I've seen for Kampilans on the forum) The blade is 70cm (27.5") ![]() ![]() ![]() Thanks Per |
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The handle style reminds me of Spunjer's avatar .
The blade ? Very oddball for a Kampilan . ![]() |
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Any hints on where I can find pitures and more information about a "Spunjer's avatar" ? /Per |
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Hej Per,
If you have a look in Leiden's picture database you will find resembling ones with hilts like yours collected on Timor (at www.rmv.nl) This doesn't necessarily mean that yours has to be from Timor but that it probably is an older variation, that somehow survived longer among the ex-pat Llanuns who were culturally isolated on Timor. On the blade-tip it resembles a bit one of my older ones (enclosed), even if it goes the other way. I suspect yours maybe has been reshaped based on what resembled traces after holes from brass-studs and a reshaped tip (maybe broken?)? Congratulations to a very interesting and rare variation! Michael |
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I thought the presence of a fuller somewhat unusual .
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Copied your picture in case the photobucket link disappears in future. Nice handle !
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Cato in his book Moro Swords also talks about this as a rare form of kampilan.
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In Foy's book three resembling "horse-head"-kampilans from the Museum of Dresden's collection is attributed to North-Celebes. I don't really see why Per's and Cato's necessarily should be imported swords from Timor? Or maybe I misunderstood Bill? The reason that there are several of them in Leiden is probably more based on that the Dutch were "better" in collecting colonial artefacts in Indonesia than the Spanish were in the Philippines. If the Philippines would have been a Dutch colony I am positive that more really old Moro weapons would have been saved. I also think it's quite obvious that it's a kampilan and have considered van Z's classifying it as a "klewang" as one of the, surprisingly few, minor errors in his book. Unless you want to classify all kampilans as belonging to the klewang-category? Michael Last edited by VVV; 12th November 2009 at 10:00 AM. Reason: Added Foy/Dresden |
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Perhaps this sword should be referred to as a Klewang from Timor. (Zonneveld's Traditional Weapons of Indonesian Archipelago, fig 272, pg. 71) If this sword made it's way up to the Philippines, it may explain the abaca on hilt & sheath. Trade between the islands is endless & if it passed through the hands of one of the lumad tribes it seems plausible to use abaca rather then the traditional use of hair, the Moro's would use. |
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