292 photos of cannon models in French museums

cannonmn · 1st March 2012, 01:03 AM

Graybeard Blackpowder forum member "Steelcharge" has turned up more goodies, and posted them on that forum. One of the more interesting series are the 33 pages, 292 images, of antique cannon models in French museums, primarily in the Invalides in Paris. Some of the models are quite incredible, and some represent artillery concepts I've never seen before, such as a cannon and mortar cast as one piece.

http://www.photo.rmn.fr/cf/htm/CSear...6&New=T&Page=1

cannonmn · 2nd March 2012, 05:26 PM

Sorry, as in many library and some museum links, the "search" link expires after some time, maybe 48 hrs. in this case. Here's how to get there:

Go to this random, individual page from the set of 292, then click on this link which is at the very bottom. This will re-create the 33 "gallery" pages for you.

Go to:

http://www.photo.rmn.fr/cf/htm/CSear...E=2C6NU0KR3XVW

At bottom of that page, Click on:

petit modèle d'artillerie

M ELEY · 3rd March 2012, 10:34 AM

Awesome photos. Do any of your contacts on that other site have any pics of munitions, specifically barshot? I'm told the French were the only country that had barshot that looked like a dumbell, round cannon balls with a round bar connecting (vs the classic square bar of the Brit/Amer pieces and Span barshot rounded bar, but ends shaped like wedges vs cannon balls)

cannonmn · 3rd March 2012, 01:45 PM

Mr. E, I think last time we talked about bar shot was near the end of the Gettysburg "snow show." Anyway, here's Michael's extensive thread with more types of unusual projectiles than I've ever seen anywhere else:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ght=grape+shot

BTW, I am not sure all of the items pictured are legitimate cannon shot. Some of the "double-ended" shot look more like simple dumb bells to me, so I would not necessarily accept their mere presence on some museum's website as proof that they are authentic bar shot.

fernando · 3rd March 2012, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cannonmn

... At bottom of that page, Click on:

petit modèle d'artillerie

So nice. In the Lisbon Military Museum there is also one room dedicated to the exhibition of artillery miniatures, expertly made by the arsenal smiths.
But i guess the quantity is not so large as in Paris.

cannonmn · 3rd March 2012, 02:54 PM

Fernando, I would love to see those models. Perhaps you could ask the museum if they have any plans to put photos online. If not, perhaps encourage them to do so.

fernando · 3rd March 2012, 04:09 PM

Unfortunately not the type of people; very strict military behaviour.
They are still in the ages in which visitors are not allowed to take pictures ... even without flash.
And they have no material online.
On the other hand, they have one of the greatest collections of (actual) bronze cannons ... besides inumerous iron early specimens.

fernando · 3rd March 2012, 04:39 PM

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1st March 2012, 01:03 AM	#1
cannonmn Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 161	292 photos of cannon models in French museums Graybeard Blackpowder forum member "Steelcharge" has turned up more goodies, and posted them on that forum. One of the more interesting series are the 33 pages, 292 images, of antique cannon models in French museums, primarily in the Invalides in Paris. Some of the models are quite incredible, and some represent artillery concepts I've never seen before, such as a cannon and mortar cast as one piece. http://www.photo.rmn.fr/cf/htm/CSear...6&New=T&Page=1

2nd March 2012, 05:26 PM	#2
cannonmn Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 161	The link expires; here's how to get to the pages--- Sorry, as in many library and some museum links, the "search" link expires after some time, maybe 48 hrs. in this case. Here's how to get there: Go to this random, individual page from the set of 292, then click on this link which is at the very bottom. This will re-create the 33 "gallery" pages for you. Go to: http://www.photo.rmn.fr/cf/htm/CSear...E=2C6NU0KR3XVW At bottom of that page, Click on: petit modèle d'artillerie

3rd March 2012, 04:39 PM	#8
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Some views: . Attached Images Last edited by fernando; 3rd March 2012 at 06:22 PM.

3rd March 2012, 10:34 AM	#3
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,087	Awesome photos. Do any of your contacts on that other site have any pics of munitions, specifically barshot? I'm told the French were the only country that had barshot that looked like a dumbell, round cannon balls with a round bar connecting (vs the classic square bar of the Brit/Amer pieces and Span barshot rounded bar, but ends shaped like wedges vs cannon balls)

3rd March 2012, 01:45 PM	#4
cannonmn Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 161	Mr. E, I think last time we talked about bar shot was near the end of the Gettysburg "snow show." Anyway, here's Michael's extensive thread with more types of unusual projectiles than I've ever seen anywhere else: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ght=grape+shot BTW, I am not sure all of the items pictured are legitimate cannon shot. Some of the "double-ended" shot look more like simple dumb bells to me, so I would not necessarily accept their mere presence on some museum's website as proof that they are authentic bar shot.

3rd March 2012, 02:54 PM	#6
cannonmn Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 161	Fernando, I would love to see those models. Perhaps you could ask the museum if they have any plans to put photos online. If not, perhaps encourage them to do so.

3rd March 2012, 04:09 PM	#7
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Unfortunately not the type of people; very strict military behaviour. They are still in the ages in which visitors are not allowed to take pictures ... even without flash. And they have no material online. On the other hand, they have one of the greatest collections of (actual) bronze cannons ... besides inumerous iron early specimens.