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This plain pistol is of large caliber, 20mm, with a 230mm long barrel. The barrel is 30.3mm dia some 9-10mm ahead of the breech. This is identical to a British Light Dragoon pistol, marked Williams, in my Accumulation. By contrast, an India pattern Brown Bess of mine measures 33.9mm dia at similar location. By these measurements I assume the pistol barrel was intended to be 20mm caliber, and not a cut-down musket barrel. No visible proof marks. The lock and breech end of the barrel have some black paint, which might be consistent with sea service except it looks to have been applied after some corrosion and pitting had already taken place. The large bore permits a standard musket ball to be used.
I will probably go through life assuming that this is an English Sea Service pistol unless you gentlemen have other ideas. |
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It might have been to sea and a British person might have fired it but I don't think this is a British Sea Service Pistol. The angle of the grip/butt looks too straight. I don't think I have seen a Sea Service without a brass butt plate of some shape. The lock does not look British and the powder pan has a very strange shape?. Never have I seen any British service flintlock without very deep stamped proof marks. Most have military or naval markings ( Not all). Your pistol has numbers but they look rather recent and too small for any service stamp. My guess is that you either have a cut down rifle /carbine of some sort or something made up from parts. When of course is the real question. Was it made to use in the distant past or was it made to deceive? I look forward to reading what others think and I might have got it all wrong.
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Of course, it is not a service weapon, by a absence of proof punches and other inscriptions. In addition, the auction of lated. The hammer, although legitimate, does not correspond to the time the rest of the lock Fernando K |
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It does appear old, but as already noted not Sea Service.
The lock with the faceted pan looks rather Germanic to me. Best. R. |
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This lock with its battery spring ending left of the screw that fixes the lock to the butt is typical Austrian: It is the lock of the ordnance pistol M 1770. But the triggerguard and sideplate are of an other unknown but certainly European origin.
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It looks old, except for the ramrod.
However the lock and trigger guard do not look like British issue. It appears to me to have been assembled from various parts a long time ago. The stock looks like a cut down carbine or musket stock due to the profile. The lack of a buttcap also gives me pause. It has a great patina and appears to have been legitimately used a long time ago, but any further attribution at this point (in my opinion), is strictly conjecture. |
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Numerous lock have the screw securing the lock to the stock right spring frizzen, so that is not a feature to define the origin of the lock, also other differences with the lock rise by corrado, as the auction of noticeable frizzen, a difference in the conformation of the gooseneck and the shape of "banana shape" of the plate of the lock and the pan is rounded and not facetted and depressed area at the end of the plate. Affectionately. Fernando K Sorry for the translator |
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For what it's worth, the "390" is some manner of museum mark, not original to the pistol.
The pan is faceted, not round Barrel measurements show that it is not a cut down musket. The profile is identical to a light dragoon pistol, not to a Brown Bess. Otherwise, thank you, Gentlemen, for looking it over. |
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regards corrado26 |
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