Kineta Naga Sasra

Bill M · 18th March 2015, 01:48 PM

I feel myself having a revival of interest in these pieces! However time and age

has dulled my recollection.

Comments?

David · 18th March 2015, 10:43 PM

Why don't you tell us what you DO recollect about this blade Bill.
The dress and, i believe, the kinatah, look more contemporary to me, despite the loss of gold. This type of kinatah work does not seem as skilled as i would expect to see on high court pieces (which i suppose is the implication of the red velvet behind the pendok), but it does appear to be real gold.
I've never been a good judge of age and the gold work on the blade doesn't make it any easier for me i am afraid. Is the greneng worn down, because the ron dha do not seem that well realized in these photos.
Do you remember if the stones are inten, crystal or what? Can't really tell much on that from the photos. The dress is beautiful. Lovely wood grain in the wrongko.

Bill M · 18th March 2015, 11:24 PM

David, the dress is new. It is my understanding that Javanese connoisseurs do not approve of old dress. I think the blade is older. I think the stones are low grade diamonds.

I am hoping that the seller will chime in with some information.

David · 19th March 2015, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill M

David, the dress is new. It is my understanding that Javanese connoisseurs do not approve of old dress. I think the blade is older. I think the stones are low grade diamonds.

I am hoping that the seller will chime in with some information.

Yes, Bill, i believe you are correct on that. My response was not in any way meant to be taken as disapproving of the new dress. As i said, it's very beautiful. My only concern with this dress is the red velvet under the pendok, and then, only if this never had a life as a court blade. I may be mistaken, but it has always been my understanding that the red signifies a certain royal family status. This is at least my understanding when the pendok is lacquered red. Not sure if the same applies to velvet.
I believe inten are low-grade diamonds, but maybe i have that wrong.
I am sure that if you merely wanted the input of the seller you could easily email him your questions...

Bill M · 19th March 2015, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by David

I am sure that if you merely wanted the input of the seller you could easily email him your questions...

Have sent a few emails in the past, but the seller has been unresponsive.

Jean · 20th March 2015, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill M

Have sent a few emails in the past, but the seller has been unresponsive.

Hi Bill,
The lack of reaction from the seller is not surprising if he sold this piece to you as old/antique.
My personal opinion (based on the pics only) is as follows:
This kris looks fully recent with the possible exception of the selut, the scabbard seems to be made from jati gembol (teak burr), and the blade with kinatah is madurese. The stones on the selut are probably yakuts (quartz) and not intens but only a jeweler could confirm it. And I agree with David that the pendok with red velvet insert is not at all a court type.
Of course I could be mistaken and other opinions are welcome!
Regards

18th March 2015, 01:48 PM	#1
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	Kineta Naga Sasra I feel myself having a revival of interest in these pieces! However time and age has dulled my recollection. Comments? Attached Images

18th March 2015, 10:43 PM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,125	Why don't you tell us what you DO recollect about this blade Bill. The dress and, i believe, the kinatah, look more contemporary to me, despite the loss of gold. This type of kinatah work does not seem as skilled as i would expect to see on high court pieces (which i suppose is the implication of the red velvet behind the pendok), but it does appear to be real gold. I've never been a good judge of age and the gold work on the blade doesn't make it any easier for me i am afraid. Is the greneng worn down, because the ron dha do not seem that well realized in these photos. Do you remember if the stones are inten, crystal or what? Can't really tell much on that from the photos. The dress is beautiful. Lovely wood grain in the wrongko. Last edited by David; 19th March 2015 at 12:03 AM.

18th March 2015, 11:24 PM	#3
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	David, the dress is new. It is my understanding that Javanese connoisseurs do not approve of old dress. I think the blade is older. I think the stones are low grade diamonds. I am hoping that the seller will chime in with some information. Last edited by Bill M; 19th March 2015 at 06:18 PM.