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19th March 2009, 10:14 PM | #1 |
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Filipino swords and axes in the 13th Century?
Hello all, I was wondering if you might know what swords and axes were used by Filipino wars during the 13th century, contemporary with the Song Dynasty?
I know the keris goes back quite a long way in Indonesia, so the kris I was thinking might be present in the PI at this time, and the kampilan was around before the Spanish arrived, so I was thinking it might be too. Need to know for a project I'm working on. Also, were there any Muslim convert tribes in the Philippines at this time? |
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Hi Steven. In the 13th century the keris was just beginning to develop into the weapon we know today. I doubt that it had reached as far as the Philippines at this point.
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20th March 2009, 09:11 AM | #3 |
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Alright, thanks thats slightly helpful, but I still need to know what swords were used during the 13th century, not what weren't.
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If i could be of further "slight" help i would also suggest that the kampilan, at least the weapon he know by that name, also did not exist in the 13th century. Though it has been suggested that Magellan was killed with a kamp at the battle of Mactan in 1521 there is much debate and really no proof of what weapon he was finally dispatched with. AFAIK there are no examples in either museums or private collects that are nearly this old. Without examples that have any provenance it is very difficult to prove anything. While i truly sympathize with your "need to know" i am afraid that not all details of the past are all that cut and dry. Much is just plain lost forever. BTW, it is generally accepted that Islam reached the Philippines at the end of the 14th century. |
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Hi Fernando,
I agree with David. IMHO, there is no one answer to your question "what swords and axes were used by Filipino wars during the 13th century, contemporary with the Song Dynasty." It is my belief that that different geographical locations in the Philippines (as we know it now) were in different "levels of advancement" in terms of weaponry - some has access to metal and metal working technology, while others did not. Thus, to answer your question.... you may have to be specific which part of the current Philippines you are referring to (since there is no such "Philippines" state during the 13th century bur rather independent "villages" or "village alliances"). |
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David's remarks would be right on the money. And so would the replies of Nonoy and Vandoo, of course. Quote:
Here's my little contribution, and it won't be much, given the dearth of info on this particular subject as already mentioned: [1] your best bet would be the Boxer Codex, as far as researching for images of prehispanic Filipinos is concerned; [2] said illustration-rich manuscript was done in the 1590s, but the 15 plates depicting Filipinos all pertain to the manner of dressing and the tools & weapons used before the Spanish influence set in; [3] unfortunately once again, so far I haven't seen a book that contains all the said color plates on prehispanic Filipinos; [4] but the Boxer Codex is there in the US, so maybe you can find a way to access the same; [5] as far as archeology is concerned, there's a newly opened permanent exhibit at the Ayala Museum in Manila (Ayala Museum would be the best museum in the Phils.), in which 10th to 12th century (if I recall the timeframe correctly, but it's definitely pre-16th cent.) gold artifacts are displayed; [6] there's a lot of artifacts on decorative personal accessories, but once again when it comes to weapons, I can recall seeing just two to three items -- they are golden hilts of daggers, and most probably they would be exactly like the one Pigafetta noted as strapped in the waist of one datu [leader], and this would be at the time of course when he and Magallanes [Magellan] first made contact with Filipinos (1521): "And he [Rajah Calambu, of what is now Agusan del Norte province in Mindanao island] was the most handsome person we saw among those peoples. He had very black hair to his shoulders, with a silk cloth on his head, and two large gold rings hanging from his ears. He wore a cotton cloth, embroidered with silk, which covered him from his waist to his knees. At his side he had a dagger, with a long handle, and all of gold, the sheath of which was of carved wood. Withal he wore on his person perfumes of storax and benzoin. He was tawny and painted all over. His island is called Butuan and Calaghan."[7] finally, you should also check out the two books of one of the experts in Philippine history, William Henry Scott -- Prehispanic Source Materials for the Study of Philippine History and Looking for the Prehispanic Filipino: And Other Essays in Philippine History. I have both books. I'll post here later excerpts which I hope can also be "slightly helpful" Regards Last edited by migueldiaz; 21st March 2009 at 08:21 AM. |
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Can't remember where I found this article. But this would be a neat summary of what prehispanic Philippines was like.
Here's the article in full (and note the mention of the Sung dynasty, which might give further leads): ----- The Philippines Before Magellan By: Charity Beyer-Bagatsing From the notes of Dr. H. Otley Beyer Four hundred years ago, Ferdinand Magellan anchored his little exploring fleet in Philippine waters in the evening on March 16, 1521. Herein, to most people Philippine history begins with Antonio Pigafetta’s splendid diary of Magellan’s voyage. Spanish colonization both in the Americas and the Philippines has been characterized by a fanatic zeal for the Christian faith and corresponding hatred for all other forms of belief led them to regard the native writings and art as works of the devil—to be destroyed wherever found. In Mexico and Peru many old records were preserved in more or less modified form in the writings of the early Christians and Spanish half-castes, but in the Philippines the destruction was ruthlessly thorough and only a few fragments have survived. One Spanish priest in southern Luzon boasted of having destroyed more than three hundred scrolls written in the native character. How valuable those old records might have been to us. The results is that we have no trustworthy native material, and our past can only be pieced together from data painstakingly gathered from neighboring countries, to be patiently pieced together with local tradition and archeological discoveries. It is of no wonder that most historians have been content to pass over the Pre-European period and begin the body of their work with Magellan’s voyage. When Magellan arrived in the Philippines, he did not came across a land occupied by ignorant wild savages but discovered one of the epicenters of the international trade industry which extended from the Atlantic to the Pacific. William Henry Scott in his book the Pre-Hispanic Source Materials intenerates “When the pre-Hispanic epoch was brought to a close by Ferdinand Magellan’s arrival in 1521, Luzon traders were sailing to Timor, Malacca and Canton, had a colony in Minjam on the Malay Peninsula, a Portuguese appointed magistrate in Malacca and marriage relations with the Sultan of Brunei, and the Manila bourgeoisie were learning to speak Malay.” The pre-Hispanic Filipinos were very literate and used syllabaries of Indian origin. Father Chirino (1604, 39):“These islanders are so given to reading and writing that there is hardly a man and much less a woman, who does not read and write in the letters of the island of Manila. The first actual mention of the Philippines is recorded in the official Sung history when certain traders from Ma-i (the present island of Mindoro) brought valuable merchandise to Canton for sale in 982 A.D. As early as the tenth century Philippine vessels were crossing the oceans to China and Champa for exportable trade goods. From the 12th to the 15th centuries, accounts of Bruni, Sulu, Ma-i and others of the Philippine islands became more numerous. The following abbreviated account comes from Chau Ju Kua written about 1225. The salient points of this report are as follows: “The island of Ma-i lies north of Borneo. When trading ships enter the anchorage, they stop in front of the officials place, for that is the place for bartering of the country. There is a great market there. After a ship has been boarded, the natives mix freely with the ship’s folk. The chiefs are in the habit of using white umbrellas, for which reason the traders offer them as gifts. The custom for trade is for the local traders to assemble in crowds and carry the goods away with them in baskets; and, even if one cannot at first know them, and can but slowly distinguish the men who remove the goods, yet there will be no loss. The local traders then carry these goods on to other islands for barter, and as a rule takes them about eight – nine months before they return, when they repay the merchants on shipboard with what they have obtained for the goods. The products of the country consist of yellow wax (beeswax), cotton, pearls, tortoise-shell, medicinal betel nuts, fiber cloth (sinamay). The goods used in trading are porcelain, trade-gold, iron cauldrons, lead, colored glass beads, iron needles, pieces of iron, colored cotton stuffs, red taffetas, ivory, silks of different colors, copper pots, sycee shoes, and the like.” The San-hsu (or three islands) belong to Ma-i; their names are Kia-ma-yen (Kalamian or Culion), Pa-lau-yu (probably Penon de Coron) and Pa-ki-nung (probably Busuanga), and each has its own tribes scattered over the islands. When the ships arrive there, the natives come out to trade with them. In the remotest valleys, there lives another tribe called Hai-tan (Aetas). They are smaller in nature, they have curly hair and they nest in tree tops. Whenever foreign traders arrive at the settlements, they announce their presence to the natives by beating drums. Upon this, the natives race for the ships in small boats, carrying cotton, yellow wax, native cloth and coconut husk mats which they offer for barter. If the prices cannot be agreed upon, one or two of the natives remain on board the ship as hostages while the chief of the traders must go on shore to meet the native ruler in order to come to an understanding. These being reached the natives are offered presents of silk umbrellas, porcelain, and rattan baskets. After the traders return to their ships, the hostages are released. A ship will not remain at anchor longer than three days or four days which it proceeds to another place.” Several late Sung and Yuan period Chinese documents make frequent reference to the Philippine trade centers. Ports in Sulu are described to having a well developed organized network for exportable forest and maritime products (sandalwood, laka-wood, ebony, animal hides and pearls). The Sulu pearls are known to be whiter and rounder than those from other places and command a high price. In addition to the above, we find the following accounts of trade in Sulu from the brush of a Chinese author in 1349: “When a ship arrives there, the natives take all the goods and carry them for sale in the interior, while they also sell to the neighboring countries and when they come back, the native articles are delivered to the merchants as payment. The natives are always afraid that our ships will not return, and whenever a ship leaves they detain some men as hostages to make sure the ship will call again. “ Medieval Filipinos merchants and mercenaries were deemed as honest business entrepreneurs throughout Southeast Asia as stated by Wang-Ta-yuan in his Tao I Chih Lueh written in 1349 after 20 years of travels in the pursuit of overseas profits “The shipboard merchants advance them credit for never have they defaulted since the beginning.” During the early 14th century, the ties between Chinese- Philippines trade relations grew stronger. In 1406, in the reign of Chinese Emperor Ch’eng-tsu a Filipino chieftain visited the Imperial Court at Nanking and was presented gifts of horses, silver and other products. This was followed by other trips. Another visit occurred during Emperor Hung-wa’s reign in 1572 when the Filipino tribute embassy was welcomed at his court. Early Spanish documents provide a detailed documentation of the Southeast Asian trade industry. Asides from the Chinese junks; large trade ships from Borneo, Thailand and Japan were regularly arriving at some of the larger Philippine coastal ports: Manila, Mindoro, Pangasinan, Cebu, Jolo (Sulu), and Cotabato. Filipino traders had significant knowledge and presence at other Southeast Asian trade ports such as Melaka, Borneo, Ternate (Moluccas) and Myanmar. Chiefs in pre-Hispanic Philippines also financed and equipped outgoing trade voyages for foreign trade. Furthermore they made attempts to attract foreign trade partners by investing in port facilities, good harborage, military protection for merchants, housing, provision and entertainment for foreign traders, and developed efficient systems for mobilizing the trade goods. Sixteenth century descriptions of Manila records a well fortified heavily populated trade port with special quarters for Chinese and Japanese merchants and a well organized port area managed by a grand chieftain and a number of lesser chiefs. The blissful period of pre-Hispanic Philippines clearly indicates a sophisticated cultured people who focused on peaceful commercial trade, maritime exploration while maintaining friendly and viable economic relations with their neighbors. A far cry from the depictions made by European historians who portrayed a people whose existence began as a colony of Spain and for many years was deemed as the only source for the study of Philippine history. The purpose of this article is to remind this present generation about the grand history of their ninunos (forefathers) and rekindle our diwa (spirit of greatness) that has always been the heritage of the Filipino people. Charity Beyer-Bagatsing is the great-granddaughter of Dr. H. Otley Beyer. She is the guardian of the Beyer Library Collection and Publisher of Northwest Woman Magazine. To contact the author visit her website or e-mail: editor@northwestwoman.com Optional Photographs: From the H.O. Beyer Collection Bamboo with Baybayin writings on the outside and a scroll inside. Luxury Trade Goods from the Pre-Hispanic Period. Colored Glass Beads Green Ming Jarlet Ming Hole Bottom Dish Optional Sidebar: Author’s Research Sources Barangay: 16th Century Philippine Culture & Society William Henry Scott Pre-Hispanic Source Materials for the Study of Philippine History (Revised Edition) William Henry Scott Raiding, Trading and Feasting: The Political Economy of Philippine Chiefdoms Laura lee Junker 1421 The Year China Discovered America Gavin Menzies Magellan’s Voyage Around the World & the Discovery of the Philippines Antonio Pigafetta’s Milan Edition The Philippines Before Magellan Dr. H. O. Beyer The Philippine Saga Dr. H.O.Beyer & Jaime DeVeyra |
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Here's some of those Boxer Codex images of prehispanic Filipinos, from WH Scott's Barangay, which limited preview version can be found here.
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Here's one more pic from Scott's Barangay.
The text describing the image says: "Tree houses were occupied only in time of war, built either in actual trees 15 or more meters above the ground, or on tall posts. If they were intended only for male warriors, they were reached simply by a vine which could be pulled up; but if a whole family occupied them, they were full-scale dwellings with a platform midway up reached by a removable ladder, with a second ladder up to the house itself. (See fig. 5.) They all disappeared after the Spanish pacification ...."From the image we can obviously discern the form of the prehispanic Filipinos' spearheads, sword hilt and pommel, as well as shield types. |
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By the way, that low stance of the warrior on the right (the one with the round shield) is curious.
Moro warriors are also known to use that stance often. Please see the clips below from Cecil Quirino's documentary, Crossing the Sulu Seas. |
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Steve,
I forgot to mention... Islam was introduced to the Philippines after the period of the Song Dynasty (i.e. Ming Dynasty). Take note too that is was during the period of the Song Dynasty when the Tausug (of Northeast Mindanao) migrated to the Sulu archipelago. Good Luck... Nonoy |
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The caption does not say the age of the artifacts.
But the gold items directly beneath the blade of the dagger looks 10th to 13th century (just a guess, based on similar artifacts displayed in a museum mentioned earlier). Note also that the shape of the dagger is similar to the blade shape of the "bolo" of the Zambal upland tribesmen, as illustrated in the Boxer Codex (i.e., images of Filipinos circa 15th to 16th century). Zambales (home of the Zambals) by the way was the site for the former US naval base, Subic. |
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Some more color images from the Boxer Codex ...
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I found another source material though it's not quite 13th century.
Below is an excerpt from Giovanni B. Ramusio's Delle Navigationi et Viaggi (Venice 1554, 2nd edition), Vol. 1, fol. 375-v. I was planning to buy a copy but I thought that my wife will hack me to pieces if she finds out the price (anywhere from Usd 48,000 to 65,000!). So here's the geographer's description of Mindanao, and note the blade weapons mentioned: "This island is very large: after circumnavigating it, we found it was 2,200 kilometers around, and extends mainly east and west ... It is inhabited by many and varied people: there are Moros, gentiles, and different kings and lords who wear certain clothes without sleeves, short, like marlottas which they call patolas, and the rich have them of silk like tafetta, and the other people of cotton and in different styles. They have many offensive arms of iron and steel, such as scimitars, daggers, and spears: and defensive arms they make of animal hide, which is tougher and stronger than that of Anta. In a certain part of the island which the Moros rule over, there is small artillery. There are pigs, deer, and buffalos in that island, and other animals of the chase, and Castillan chickens, and rice and palms and coconuts ..."The 'small artillery' for sure refers to the lantaka. The interesting word to research further however would be 'scimitar'. So the question is, would anybody know what it says in the original text? Hope somebody can take a peek at an original copy of this publication |
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At last, there's photos available regarding 10th to 13th century Filipino artifacts.
Below are pics of some of the items permanently displayed at the Ayala Museum in Manila. These gold hilts (about 4 to 4.5" long) and gold buckles & belts, were excavated in northeastern Mindanao (Agusan and Surigao provinces if I recall correctly). |
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