Another Torador barrel.

Pukka Bundook · 22nd May 2016, 04:57 PM

Morning Gents.

Recently I acquired another torador, and would appreciate any suggestions as to age or origins.
It is not yet in hand, so only have a few limited photos.

The style of koftgari is unlike my other example, so not from the same workshop I don't think, though Possibly from Oudh still.
I do wish there were books with definite facts regarding these arms.

Barrel is I believe 55" long.

Here are the photos;

Comments welcome!

Richard.

Pukka Bundook · 22nd May 2016, 05:09 PM

For the sake of comparison, here is the other barrel, with koftgari.
The one I believe came from Oudh.........

Same workshop,........or same area with a similar ideas as to design?

I'd appreciate any suggestions!
Richard.

rickystl · 28th May 2016, 05:52 PM

Hi Richard.
WOW!! Nice barrels - both!! The silver work does in fact look like it could have come from the same workshop. I notice one barrel still retains it's pan cover (yay!) and the other appears to have intentionally been made without a cover.
The brass barrel bands in the first photo look interesting. Do you have any more pics of them close up?
Thanks, Rick.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 28th May 2016, 08:52 PM

I gave myself 10 minutes to drum up a few Torador suspects...with angle off shots showing the interesting parts ...

Pukka Bundook · 29th May 2016, 05:18 AM

Rick,

No more photos until they both arrive, and I purchase one near on 3 years ago! (they both should be here in hopefully a week or 3 now)

They both seem similar in layout, just the actual koftgari appears different.
The barrels from Oudh often had no pan covers that swiveled, but rather one that slotted over the pan. In fact, it was noted if an Oudh barrel had a pan -cover in the conventional meaning, as they were rather scarce.
I believe one barrel is 53" & one 55".
Bores are reported by my pal and agent as V. good!

Ibrahiim,
Thank you for the extra images;
Some toradors are indeed a work of art. :-)

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 29th May 2016, 07:58 PM

I had never heard of the term of plank stock for these guns but it is very fitting. see http://www.rockislandauction.com/vie...id/66/lid/3268 for a typical plankstock Indian Gun... Torador. Thought to add some Indian gunpowder flasks for interest.

22nd May 2016, 04:57 PM	#1
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	Another Torador barrel. Morning Gents. Recently I acquired another torador, and would appreciate any suggestions as to age or origins. It is not yet in hand, so only have a few limited photos. The style of koftgari is unlike my other example, so not from the same workshop I don't think, though Possibly from Oudh still. I do wish there were books with definite facts regarding these arms. Barrel is I believe 55" long. Here are the photos; Comments welcome! Richard. Attached Images

22nd May 2016, 05:09 PM	#2
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	For the sake of comparison, here is the other barrel, with koftgari. The one I believe came from Oudh......... Same workshop,........or same area with a similar ideas as to design? I'd appreciate any suggestions! Richard. Attached Images

28th May 2016, 08:52 PM	#4
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	I gave myself 10 minutes to drum up a few Torador suspects...with angle off shots showing the interesting parts ... Attached Images

29th May 2016, 07:58 PM	#6
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	I had never heard of the term of plank stock for these guns but it is very fitting. see http://www.rockislandauction.com/vie...id/66/lid/3268 for a typical plankstock Indian Gun... Torador. Thought to add some Indian gunpowder flasks for interest. Attached Images

28th May 2016, 05:52 PM	#3
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,623	Hi Richard. WOW!! Nice barrels - both!! The silver work does in fact look like it could have come from the same workshop. I notice one barrel still retains it's pan cover (yay!) and the other appears to have intentionally been made without a cover. The brass barrel bands in the first photo look interesting. Do you have any more pics of them close up? Thanks, Rick.

29th May 2016, 05:18 AM	#5
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	Rick, No more photos until they both arrive, and I purchase one near on 3 years ago! (they both should be here in hopefully a week or 3 now) They both seem similar in layout, just the actual koftgari appears different. The barrels from Oudh often had no pan covers that swiveled, but rather one that slotted over the pan. In fact, it was noted if an Oudh barrel had a pan -cover in the conventional meaning, as they were rather scarce. I believe one barrel is 53" & one 55". Bores are reported by my pal and agent as V. good! Ibrahiim, Thank you for the extra images; Some toradors are indeed a work of art. :-)