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The first one has an ivory grip ( i think ). The blade measures 10 cms. (4").The guard and scabbard mouth are white brass, the tip is missing. I wouldn't call it a miniature, as actual daggers with these dimensions do seem to exist. But it is not a boot or a bodice dagger, those are different, right ?. Could this be called a woman's dagger ? Necessarily European ?
The second one has a bone grip. The blade measures 19 cms. ( 8"). The grip end plate is copper, and so was the ferrule, that fell with the seller's cleaning ( so he said ) revealing a smaller one in brass. He said he bought it locally, sounding like a rural piece, but the profiling of the grip in that sort of hexagonal manner is a bit sophisticated for a domestic work. Any coments would be so much wellcome. fernando |
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It's a coincidence that I just purchased my first naval dirk and then saw this post. The first one is more of a gambler's type dagger, mid to late 19th century, I'd wager. It could be a "soiled dove's" garter dagger, as this pice appears small enough. The second is a midshipman's naval dirk, early 19th century. Alittle rough, but pretty cool. It could be an American piece, with it's simplicity. I don't suppose it's for sale?
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Thank you so much for the precious info, M Eley.
No, not for sale, but i appreciate the interest. I thought the piece was close from valueless. Kind regards fernando |
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Glad to be of help. From a quick search, yours looks to be American. Check out the following-
www.ambroseantiques.com/swords/ivorydirk.htm Here are some others of differing grades, styles and countries of origin- www.rogersstudy.co.uk/peel/images_2/dirk.jpg www.vallejogallery.com/item.php?id=1462 http://hometown.aol.com/machood/navaldirk.html http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masoni...naval_dirk.htm Hope this helps. Oh, BTW, these don't have any value, so if you WANT to give it away anytime soon... ![]() ![]() |
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So much obliged.
Obviously you have more mileage than me in these things ![]() BTW, would you still date this dirk as early 19th century? That would be double comforting, as i mainly seek for age in the pieces i (afford to) get. Best regards fernando |
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Hello, Fernando. Sorry...I was away from my computer for awhile. Yes, I would still date the American piece as EITHER late 18th to early 19th century. This was a time in America's history when materials were scarce and edged weapons typically crude, but very folk-art, if you know what I mean. It would fit nicely into a Revolutionary/ war of 1812 setting. $60!!! Wow! You got quite a steal. Even as a primative piece, you can do a search and see the kind of prices these naval pieces are getting. They typically sell for the same or more than a British naval piece in much better condition/same period. Again, nice catch!
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