Philippine Sword?

Jim McDougall · 12th June 2021, 04:00 AM

This is one Ive had for years, but really no idea what it is....the significance of the face etc. . Way not my area, so could use some help.

Kubur · 12th June 2021, 07:19 AM

Hi Jim,
You will have more success with the Kris / keris guys.
But I think it is a Pedang lurus.

Athanase · 13th June 2021, 05:57 PM

Yes, it's a Javanese Pedang Lurus.

Jim McDougall · 13th June 2021, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Athanase

Yes, it's a Javanese Pedang Lurus.

Thank you, now I know what it is.

Ian · 15th June 2021, 07:19 AM

Hi Jim,

What a nice piece and the face strikes me as very unusual on a pedang lurus. Such a clear representation of a human face on the hilt and scabbard seems antithetical to Muslim tradition, where abstract features are much more common. Perhaps this tradition applies more to keris than other Indonesian weapons, although Moro weapons use only abstract decorations of living creatures.

One possibility may be that your sword was designed for a foreigner.

I'm afraid I don't know the significance of a face on your sword and scabbard. Alan Maisey, Kai, Detlef, and others who have a better understanding of Indonesian weapons may have a clearer idea.

Sorry I can't be more specific.

Regards,

Ian.

Jim McDougall · 15th June 2021, 09:14 PM

[QUOTE=Ian;263576]Hi Jim,

What a nice piece and the face strikes me as very unusual on a pedang lurus. Such a clear representation of a human face on the hilt and scabbard seems antithetical to Muslim tradition, where abstract features are much more common. Perhaps this tradition applies more to keris than other Indonesian weapons, although Moro weapons use only abstract decorations of living creatures.

One possibility may be that your sword was designed for a foreigner.

I'm afraid I don't know the significance of a face on your sword and scabbard. Alan Maisey, Kai, Detlef, and others who have a better understanding of Indonesian weapons may have a clearer idea.

Sorry I can't be more specific.

Regards,

Ian.[/QUO

Thank you so much Ian! So I guess this is quite an anomaly as suggested by the absence of response.

12th June 2021, 04:00 AM	#1
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,940	Philippine Sword? This is one Ive had for years, but really no idea what it is....the significance of the face etc. . Way not my area, so could use some help. Attached Images

12th June 2021, 07:19 AM	#2
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Hi Jim, You will have more success with the Kris / keris guys. But I think it is a Pedang lurus. Attached Images

13th June 2021, 05:57 PM	#3
Athanase Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Paris (France) Posts: 408	Yes, it's a Javanese Pedang Lurus.

15th June 2021, 07:19 AM	#5
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,194	Hi Jim, What a nice piece and the face strikes me as very unusual on a pedang lurus. Such a clear representation of a human face on the hilt and scabbard seems antithetical to Muslim tradition, where abstract features are much more common. Perhaps this tradition applies more to keris than other Indonesian weapons, although Moro weapons use only abstract decorations of living creatures. One possibility may be that your sword was designed for a foreigner. I'm afraid I don't know the significance of a face on your sword and scabbard. Alan Maisey, Kai, Detlef, and others who have a better understanding of Indonesian weapons may have a clearer idea. Sorry I can't be more specific. Regards, Ian.

15th June 2021, 09:14 PM	#6
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,940	[QUOTE=Ian;263576]Hi Jim, What a nice piece and the face strikes me as very unusual on a pedang lurus. Such a clear representation of a human face on the hilt and scabbard seems antithetical to Muslim tradition, where abstract features are much more common. Perhaps this tradition applies more to keris than other Indonesian weapons, although Moro weapons use only abstract decorations of living creatures. One possibility may be that your sword was designed for a foreigner. I'm afraid I don't know the significance of a face on your sword and scabbard. Alan Maisey, Kai, Detlef, and others who have a better understanding of Indonesian weapons may have a clearer idea. Sorry I can't be more specific. Regards, Ian.[/QUO Thank you so much Ian! So I guess this is quite an anomaly as suggested by the absence of response.