Translation assistance on Ottoman shamshir

RSWORD · 25th February 2020, 05:36 PM

Thank you in advance for taking a look and providing any translation assistance.

RSWORD · 25th February 2020, 05:37 PM

And here are some images of the lengthy inscription on the upper half of the blade near the spine.

mariusgmioc · 25th February 2020, 08:51 PM

Lovely blade!
To me, it looks like Persian, late 18th century wootz.
Very curious about the translation!

kwiatek · 25th February 2020, 09:26 PM

Very interesting inscriptions, including verses from a poem of the 'Abbasid poet al-Mutanabbi about a sword. Will give you readings when I have a moment

RSWORD · 26th February 2020, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by kwiatek

Very interesting inscriptions, including verses from a poem of the 'Abbasid poet al-Mutanabbi about a sword. Will give you readings when I have a moment

Thank you Kwiatek! I appreciate your translations on both this piece as well as the yataghan. Very informative and educational!

Richard G · 27th February 2020, 03:25 PM

I fear I am going to look monumentally stupid here, but is the inscription upside down?
Regards
Richard

RSWORD · 1st March 2020, 02:50 PM

Kwiatek,

Thank you very much for the detailed translation. It provides valuable insight into the sword along with a new avenue of study. These verses were hidden away until now and I am most appreciative to have the opportunity to learn more about them.

kwiatek · 1st March 2020, 09:07 PM

A pleasure. It’s a very interesting and unusual inscription. It’s not impossible an educated Turk would have understood this sophisticated kind of Arabic, but I would have thought it pointed to an origin in the Arabic-speaking parts of the Ottoman Empire

ALEX · 2nd March 2020, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by kwiatek

... but I would have thought it pointed to an origin in the Arabic-speaking parts of the Ottoman Empire

Very interesting! Could it be made in Ottoman Syria? the brass crossguard and type of coftgari are indicative of it.

mariusgmioc · 2nd March 2020, 10:13 PM

I am pretty sure the blade is Persian.
Now, when and where the inscription was made is another issue...

25th February 2020, 05:36 PM	#1
RSWORD Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 1,083	Translation assistance on Ottoman shamshir Thank you in advance for taking a look and providing any translation assistance. Attached Images

25th February 2020, 05:37 PM	#2
RSWORD Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 1,083	And here are some images of the lengthy inscription on the upper half of the blade near the spine. Attached Images

2nd March 2020, 10:13 PM	#10
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,903	I am pretty sure the blade is Persian. Now, when and where the inscription was made is another issue... Last edited by mariusgmioc; 3rd March 2020 at 06:14 PM.

25th February 2020, 08:51 PM	#3
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,903	Lovely blade! To me, it looks like Persian, late 18th century wootz. Very curious about the translation!

25th February 2020, 09:26 PM	#4
kwiatek Member Join Date: May 2019 Posts: 153	Very interesting inscriptions, including verses from a poem of the 'Abbasid poet al-Mutanabbi about a sword. Will give you readings when I have a moment

27th February 2020, 03:25 PM	#6
Richard G Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 405	I fear I am going to look monumentally stupid here, but is the inscription upside down? Regards Richard

1st March 2020, 02:50 PM	#7
RSWORD Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 1,083	Kwiatek, Thank you very much for the detailed translation. It provides valuable insight into the sword along with a new avenue of study. These verses were hidden away until now and I am most appreciative to have the opportunity to learn more about them.

1st March 2020, 09:07 PM	#8
kwiatek Member Join Date: May 2019 Posts: 153	A pleasure. It’s a very interesting and unusual inscription. It’s not impossible an educated Turk would have understood this sophisticated kind of Arabic, but I would have thought it pointed to an origin in the Arabic-speaking parts of the Ottoman Empire