Chinese Firearm

junker · 17th January 2010, 06:16 PM

Hello,

i bought this a few years ago, knowing it is not old, but in thougt of some medieval reenactment.

In the auction house it was described at asian, probably chinese.
For me, ok so far. I think of an fantasy part too. And the quality is poor as you can see.

Some years later a second item was in a small auction, which described it as a medieval weapon. I should cost 5000,- €
No one buied it. (wonder why ;-)

But then the named auction house Herman historica offered two parts of the simmilar shape as chinese firearms from around 1900 at the end of last year.

So I became wondering if it is fantasy, or fake, or a real weapon used by the chinese maybe in the boxer war ?

Do anyone know ?

best regards from
Dirk

bluelake · 18th January 2010, 09:03 AM

It's real and fits on a pole. I have one that I got here in Korea and it has percussion cap nipples. There is a YouTube video of a similar one being used:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNXkUA0KFNY

junker · 28th February 2010, 08:42 PM

Hi,
but it isnt 15th century as thy say.
Must be around 1900 because aof the percussion nipples.
Would you agree ?
Dirk

trenchwarfare · 9th March 2010, 05:59 AM

Hello Dirk. Unless your gun is chemically aged, I would say that it several hundred years old. Hard to tell origin, as that style was world wide.

Maskell · 9th March 2010, 03:41 PM

Gentleman, I have quite a few of these hand cannon. I'm sure some are very old, perhaps 16th century, others I believe are as late as the Boxer rebellion. Some that are percussion have been converted or updated to the more modern system but are much older, many have old repairs. The one in the foreground converted as well as the spear head I had sold to a friend and he wire brushed and waxed them. We are convinced they are old. The round one that has 8 chambers, 3 of which are still loaded. Their are no 2 exactly alike but some are very similar. All of mine came from China but their are reports of some with a more western origin, perhaps traded along the silk routes.

Best,
Jerry

junker · 9th March 2010, 08:48 PM

Hi,
thanks all for the comment.

Very nice collection.

Yes there are very simmilar especially the muzzle part.
I doesnt think of a conversion into percussion, but it might be.
So it will need more research probably a photo from around 1900 to date them clearly to boxer rebellion. Or a painting which is older.
But i have only two books which hadle with chinese antiques.

all the best
Dirk

17th January 2010, 06:16 PM	#1
junker Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 140	Chinese Firearm Hello, i bought this a few years ago, knowing it is not old, but in thougt of some medieval reenactment. In the auction house it was described at asian, probably chinese. For me, ok so far. I think of an fantasy part too. And the quality is poor as you can see. Some years later a second item was in a small auction, which described it as a medieval weapon. I should cost 5000,- € No one buied it. (wonder why ;-) But then the named auction house Herman historica offered two parts of the simmilar shape as chinese firearms from around 1900 at the end of last year. So I became wondering if it is fantasy, or fake, or a real weapon used by the chinese maybe in the boxer war ? Do anyone know ? best regards from Dirk Attached Images

28th February 2010, 08:42 PM	#3
junker Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 140	old Hi, but it isnt 15th century as thy say. Must be around 1900 because aof the percussion nipples. Would you agree ? Dirk

9th March 2010, 03:41 PM	#5
Maskell Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 38	Chinese hand cannons Gentleman, I have quite a few of these hand cannon. I'm sure some are very old, perhaps 16th century, others I believe are as late as the Boxer rebellion. Some that are percussion have been converted or updated to the more modern system but are much older, many have old repairs. The one in the foreground converted as well as the spear head I had sold to a friend and he wire brushed and waxed them. We are convinced they are old. The round one that has 8 chambers, 3 of which are still loaded. Their are no 2 exactly alike but some are very similar. All of mine came from China but their are reports of some with a more western origin, perhaps traded along the silk routes. Best, Jerry Attached Images

9th March 2010, 08:48 PM	#6
junker Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 140	muzzle Hi, thanks all for the comment. Very nice collection. Yes there are very simmilar especially the muzzle part. I doesnt think of a conversion into percussion, but it might be. So it will need more research probably a photo from around 1900 to date them clearly to boxer rebellion. Or a painting which is older. But i have only two books which hadle with chinese antiques. all the best Dirk

18th January 2010, 09:03 AM	#2
bluelake Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Gyeongsan, South Korea Posts: 57	It's real and fits on a pole. I have one that I got here in Korea and it has percussion cap nipples. There is a YouTube video of a similar one being used: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNXkUA0KFNY

9th March 2010, 05:59 AM	#4
trenchwarfare Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 385	Hello Dirk. Unless your gun is chemically aged, I would say that it several hundred years old. Hard to tell origin, as that style was world wide.