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Old 27th February 2006, 10:54 AM   #1
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London Arms Fair Park Lane. After the end of the show someone wanted this door open. A 19th century Persian axe finds a new role.
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Old 27th February 2006, 06:53 PM   #2
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Ha! I always new that Britons have too much of this stuff, they just don't know what to do with all of these!
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Old 27th February 2006, 07:28 PM   #3
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Despite my pessimism, some of our collectable stuff still has some practical value.
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Old 28th February 2006, 01:58 AM   #4
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Looks like the stuff some Siamese soldiers would use! Some of the nobles, military advisers, and government officials, and probably some Siamese people, were decendants from Persians who immigrated to Siam a long time ago. Siam was a melting pot of cultures and idea, and it still is today.
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Old 28th February 2006, 05:10 AM   #5
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Looks like the stuff some Siamese soldiers would use! Some of the nobles, military advisers, and government officials, and probably some Siamese people, were decendants from Persians who immigrated to Siam a long time ago. Siam was a melting pot of cultures and idea, and it still is today.

Titus, where did you come by this information?

What Persian immigration are you referring to, and when did it occur?
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Old 28th February 2006, 06:02 AM   #6
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I'm not sure either when they immigrated to Siam, but after the fall of Ayutthaya some of the high ranking officials of the new Siamese kingdom, Rattanakosin, were of Persian decents...according to historical documents I've read online. There has always been migrations from other parts of the world since Ayutthaya era...it traded heavily with foriegners, and a lot of them decided to stay. A lot of Chinese, in particular, settle down in Ayutthaya. Even the today's king's family has some Chinese ancestries. In ceremonial events, for example, the Brahmans would be the ones who carried it out, seeing things through, these people are decendants from people, who migrated from Ceylon, I believe, centuries earlier. Siam was, and still is, a melting pot of cultures and idea. I went to school with a lot of Sikhs and Hindus in Thailand, when I was in 8th grade. There were also migration from Laos and Cambodia. Did you know there are more Laotions in Thailand than in Laos? And you probably know about the Shans already, they are exactly the same as people from Northern Thailand, but their kingdom is in Burma. They have their own distinct wirtting however, and it used to be that the Shan State was the biggest Thai kingdom, even bigger than Ayutthaya, but because of centuries of bloody warfare with the Burmans, it had reduced their number greatly. The Shans (and the Siamese, also) called themselves Thai Yai, which tranlates to Big Thai...because they were the largest Thai state in ancient time. I hope this clears things up for you.
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Old 28th February 2006, 01:06 PM   #7
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This is very interesting.
Questions:
1. Did Persians migrate en masse or individually? If the latter, it would not count: just like an occasional Spaniard in Prague. But if the former is true, we might find tangible Persian influences in Thai culture (weapons, of course).
2. Are you sure they were Persians and not Indian Moghuls?
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Old 2nd March 2006, 02:11 AM   #8
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I think it must have been the latter...though, some people can trace their ancestry back to their Persian root.
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