Keris Pucuk Rebung versus Junjung Drajat

mykeris · 8th August 2008, 04:38 PM

I would appreciate if our Malay-Bugis or Indonesian keris collectors could explain or clarify differences between bugis pamor 'Pucuk Rebung' and Javanese 'Junjung Derajat' ! Are they the same or entirely different? Thanks in advance.

PenangsangII · 11th August 2008, 05:09 AM

I've been wondering about this too. Also, the difference between these two and raja kam-kam. And what about satriya pinayungan? They all look almost the same.

mykeris · 11th August 2008, 03:36 PM

Thanks for your posting, Penangsang11..I appreciate that.

Probably, the term Pucuk Rebung is quite alien to some but highly talked after in the Malaysian eastcoast states of Kelantan dan Trengganu. According to some, Pucuk Rebung (bamboo-shoot) is a kind of rekan pamor on bugis keris and is totally rare. This pamor is almost similar to the Javanese/Madurese Junjung Derajat or may I say Pamor Gunung(pls correct me if I am wrong). I always encounter with this pamor only on Javanese keris but not Bugis or any Malay kerises.

I would appreciate, if our collectors (if you happen to have one) could post photos of Bugis keris that incorporate this kind of highly demanded pamor.

ganjawulung · 12th August 2008, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by mykeris

Probably, the term Pucuk Rebung is quite alien to some but highly talked after in the Malaysian eastcoast states of Kelantan dan Trengganu. According to some, Pucuk Rebung (bamboo-shoot) is a kind of rekan pamor on bugis keris and is totally rare. This pamor is almost similar to the Javanese/Madurese Junjung Derajat or may I say Pamor Gunung(pls correct me if I am wrong). I always encounter with this pamor only on Javanese keris but not Bugis or any Malay kerises.

I would appreciate, if our collectors (if you happen to have one) could post photos of Bugis keris that incorporate this kind of highly demanded pamor.

I have a bugis-blade, with hopefully such pamor. But I don't stain the blade, as do javanese blades. Is this pamor in sor-soran "pucuk rebung" you mean?

Yes, literally "rebung" means "bamboo-shoot" in Javanese too. Bamboo-sprout. Usually people in Java said "mucuk rebung" as a shape or form of something that seems like bamboo-shoot. The tip of something -- including kerises -- could be "mucuk rebung".

In Javanese, we have some pamor like this: ujung gunung or (if through the ganja either) raja kam kam in Madura. We have still, raja abala raja -- similar to ujung gunung, but like more than one top of mountain (I can't describe precisely in English, I'm sorry...), and pandita-bala-pandita (more specific, but quite similar to raja abala raja).

Satria pinayungan, never exist in the sor-soran, but only in upper middle, or near the tip of the keris.

mykeris · 12th August 2008, 05:32 AM

Thanks Ganjawulung for posting this great keris, I think thats it!.... but on the second thought... it could be different...pls refer to this diagram whick I found today in a Malay keris book. TQ

asomotif · 12th August 2008, 01:08 PM

Something that looks pretty the same to me, but that is called Raja abala Raja in a previous thread

8th August 2008, 04:38 PM	#1
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	Keris Pucuk Rebung versus Junjung Drajat I would appreciate if our Malay-Bugis or Indonesian keris collectors could explain or clarify differences between bugis pamor 'Pucuk Rebung' and Javanese 'Junjung Derajat' ! Are they the same or entirely different? Thanks in advance.

12th August 2008, 05:32 AM	#5
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	Thanks Ganjawulung for posting this great keris, I think thats it!.... but on the second thought... it could be different...pls refer to this diagram whick I found today in a Malay keris book. TQ Attached Images Last edited by mykeris; 12th August 2008 at 06:20 AM.

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asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,225	something to compare Something that looks pretty the same to me, but that is called Raja abala Raja in a previous thread Attached Images

11th August 2008, 05:09 AM	#2
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	I've been wondering about this too. Also, the difference between these two and raja kam-kam. And what about satriya pinayungan? They all look almost the same.

11th August 2008, 03:36 PM	#3
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	Thanks for your posting, Penangsang11..I appreciate that. Probably, the term Pucuk Rebung is quite alien to some but highly talked after in the Malaysian eastcoast states of Kelantan dan Trengganu. According to some, Pucuk Rebung (bamboo-shoot) is a kind of rekan pamor on bugis keris and is totally rare. This pamor is almost similar to the Javanese/Madurese Junjung Derajat or may I say Pamor Gunung(pls correct me if I am wrong). I always encounter with this pamor only on Javanese keris but not Bugis or any Malay kerises. I would appreciate, if our collectors (if you happen to have one) could post photos of Bugis keris that incorporate this kind of highly demanded pamor.