Another of My Kerises

dbhmgb · 17th April 2012, 10:55 PM

Hello again. I am posting them one by one for comment. This one I know little about other than it may be fairly old due to the wear from many ritual cleaning. I like the hilt, is it just normal Javanese?

Thanks!

kai · 18th April 2012, 08:54 AM

Hello Dan,

The hilt style is Madurese but the carving is very rough for Madura standards - possibly village work and a genuine combo.

I believe the blade needs staining before we can give detailed comments.

Regards,
Kai

Jean · 18th April 2012, 08:57 AM

Hi,
Agree with Kai, the hilt is just a poor quality and probably recent Madurese piece IMO, you can notice the rough carving.

Regards

Henk · 18th April 2012, 10:21 AM

This is a keris from Madura. The whole piece has some age. The ukiran is a recent replacement. Replace the replacement for a good maduran ukiran, stain the blade and give the sheath and the mendak a polish and you have a fine madurese keris.

dbhmgb · 18th April 2012, 11:20 AM

I have some concerns about staining the blade as it very thin in spots.

Sajen · 18th April 2012, 01:04 PM

Sorry, I doubt that this blade will show after staining a good visible pamor since the blade have had to much corrosion.
like the others I have to say that the hilt is a cheaply worked recent one, not worth to keep.
There are a lot of much better Madura keris offered everywhere so I think that the complete ensemble is not a "keeper".
Sorry Dan, but I think that a open word regarding this keris is much more helpful for you.

Best regards,

Detlef

dbhmgb · 18th April 2012, 02:16 PM

Sorry, it is a "keeper" to me. I happen to like this keris for several reasons. This is a keris with it's own history and character that I can appreciate. Perhaps I am a home to unwanted kerises? If so, I am proud of that.

Rick · 18th April 2012, 03:09 PM

Always buy the best that you can afford .

Buy the keris; not the 'story' .

Quality is always better than quantity .

Jean · 18th April 2012, 03:23 PM

Hi Dan,
I can fully understand that you like the blade & sheath of your kris in their original condition because of their age and history, but no way for the hilt!
I attach a picture of a Madurese hilt which your piece is suppose to copy and expect that you can notice the difference in craftsmanship.

Regards

Sajen · 18th April 2012, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dbhmgb

Sorry, it is a "keeper" to me. I happen to like this keris for several reasons. This is a keris with it's own history and character that I can appreciate. Perhaps I am a home to unwanted kerises? If so, I am proud of that.

You don't need to say sorry, when you like it, keep it.

This keris was rehilted since the blade and sheath are old but the hilt is much more recent and really unskilled worked.

A second point: The keris itself coming from a high culture and need care. Repairing the broken wrongko, polishing the wood and the pendok and changing the hilt would be the minimum what i would do with this keris when I like it. I have collected several keris in Indonesia and ebay as well which has been in a pitiful state. The most of my keris are not worked from high skilled empus or pande but I have tried to bring them in a status which is worth to keep them for coming generations.

Look for example to this keris. I have bought it years ago for very low money in Indonesia. It was in a very similar state as your keris. The blade have had corrosion, the sheath was in a real poor condition and the hilt was a similar one you have at your keris. The blade was cleaned and have get a new stain, the sheath (the break repair was before) have get some care (the worm holes in the back was filled with wood filler and it has get a polish with some coats of shellack), the mendak and hilt was replaced by better ones. Now, also when it is not a keris of high level, it is one which have a cultural worth (IMHO).
When I have written before that your keris isn't a "keeper" it was based upon the fact that I have the opinion that you and nobody else will be able to bring the blade alive. And the blade is the heart of every keris.

And at last, I only can second the words from Rick, very wise words.

Sorry for the poor pictures, have taken them just in the moment to show you what I mean.

Regards,

Detlef

17th April 2012, 10:55 PM	#1
dbhmgb Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 112	Another of My Kerises Hello again. I am posting them one by one for comment. This one I know little about other than it may be fairly old due to the wear from many ritual cleaning. I like the hilt, is it just normal Javanese? Thanks! Attached Images Last edited by Rick; 18th April 2012 at 03:06 PM.

18th April 2012, 03:23 PM	#9
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Hi Dan, I can fully understand that you like the blade & sheath of your kris in their original condition because of their age and history, but no way for the hilt! I attach a picture of a Madurese hilt which your piece is suppose to copy and expect that you can notice the difference in craftsmanship. Regards Attached Images

18th April 2012, 08:54 AM	#2
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,254	Hello Dan, The hilt style is Madurese but the carving is very rough for Madura standards - possibly village work and a genuine combo. I believe the blade needs staining before we can give detailed comments. Regards, Kai

18th April 2012, 08:57 AM	#3
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Hi, Agree with Kai, the hilt is just a poor quality and probably recent Madurese piece IMO, you can notice the rough carving. Regards

18th April 2012, 10:21 AM	#4
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	This is a keris from Madura. The whole piece has some age. The ukiran is a recent replacement. Replace the replacement for a good maduran ukiran, stain the blade and give the sheath and the mendak a polish and you have a fine madurese keris.

18th April 2012, 11:20 AM	#5
dbhmgb Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 112	I have some concerns about staining the blade as it very thin in spots.

18th April 2012, 01:04 PM	#6
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,761	Sorry, I doubt that this blade will show after staining a good visible pamor since the blade have had to much corrosion. like the others I have to say that the hilt is a cheaply worked recent one, not worth to keep. There are a lot of much better Madura keris offered everywhere so I think that the complete ensemble is not a "keeper". Sorry Dan, but I think that a open word regarding this keris is much more helpful for you. Best regards, Detlef

18th April 2012, 02:16 PM	#7
dbhmgb Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 112	Sorry, it is a "keeper" to me. I happen to like this keris for several reasons. This is a keris with it's own history and character that I can appreciate. Perhaps I am a home to unwanted kerises? If so, I am proud of that.

18th April 2012, 03:09 PM	#8
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,290	Always buy the best that you can afford . Buy the keris; not the 'story' . Quality is always better than quantity .