Thoughts on burgonet construction

10thRoyal · 31st July 2021, 05:01 PM

I recently picked up a burgonet at an estate auction that was simply labeled as a "metal helmet" but it looked more interesting then the name suggested. The construction is a bit interesting with the helmet formed in two pieces plus the neck lame. The two halfs are rolled at the brim an folded and brazed at the side of the comb which I found odd. The interior is painted black with a bit of leather lining still present around the crown. Only markings I have found are a "2" stamp on one half of the helmet and the letters "HC" painted on each of the ear pieces. I believe it is a legitimate piece from the late 1500's or early 1600's Germany but am curious what y'all think regarding age, authenticity, and origin.

ulfberth · 2nd August 2021, 12:01 AM

that is pressed metal, not hammered, I'm afraid its 19th century.

10thRoyal · 2nd August 2021, 03:34 PM

Damn Victorian copies. Oh well, live and learn. Still an amateur collector. I put too much stock in those painted markings it seems.

ulfberth · 2nd August 2021, 10:40 PM

You learned from it, so see it as a good investement !
We all have payed the price for learning, and those who did not, haven't learned a.... its just not possible to learn the hardware from books alone , thats only half the work. Books help for academic knowledge , hands on experience for hardware knowledge.
There are no shortcuts either, it takes decades no matter your background or budget and some never develop the finesse, there are however different fields and time will tell were you'r talent lies.

M ELEY · 3rd August 2021, 12:37 AM

Well, at least it's Victorian and not an outright falsely aged fake. These are still collectable and have value, just not as much as the 'real deal'!

10thRoyal · 3rd August 2021, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by M ELEY

Well, at least it's Victorian and not an outright falsely aged fake. These are still collectable and have value, just not as much as the 'real deal'!

You make a good point. I didn't pay a huge amount for it so I could probably make a couple bucks on it, but I won't be adding it to my collection. As for a learning material its not half bad. More than the "metal helmet" it was marked as, less than 16th century burgonet I hoped it was. Still just learning one step at a time.

Now learn me this, what are the painted letters on the ears? Now I am just plain curious.

And thank y'all for the input and expertise.

31st July 2021, 05:01 PM	#1
10thRoyal Member Join Date: Apr 2021 Posts: 78	Thoughts on burgonet construction I recently picked up a burgonet at an estate auction that was simply labeled as a "metal helmet" but it looked more interesting then the name suggested. The construction is a bit interesting with the helmet formed in two pieces plus the neck lame. The two halfs are rolled at the brim an folded and brazed at the side of the comb which I found odd. The interior is painted black with a bit of leather lining still present around the crown. Only markings I have found are a "2" stamp on one half of the helmet and the letters "HC" painted on each of the ear pieces. I believe it is a legitimate piece from the late 1500's or early 1600's Germany but am curious what y'all think regarding age, authenticity, and origin. Attached Images

2nd August 2021, 12:01 AM	#2
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 400	that is pressed metal, not hammered, I'm afraid its 19th century.

2nd August 2021, 03:34 PM	#3
10thRoyal Member Join Date: Apr 2021 Posts: 78	Damn Victorian copies. Oh well, live and learn. Still an amateur collector. I put too much stock in those painted markings it seems.

2nd August 2021, 10:40 PM	#4
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 400	You learned from it, so see it as a good investement ! We all have payed the price for learning, and those who did not, haven't learned a.... its just not possible to learn the hardware from books alone , thats only half the work. Books help for academic knowledge , hands on experience for hardware knowledge. There are no shortcuts either, it takes decades no matter your background or budget and some never develop the finesse, there are however different fields and time will tell were you'r talent lies.

3rd August 2021, 12:37 AM	#5
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,095	Well, at least it's Victorian and not an outright falsely aged fake. These are still collectable and have value, just not as much as the 'real deal'!