Lance Head for coments

fernando · 26th May 2006, 07:54 PM

I have just ordered this Lance Head. Is the label "Indo Persian" consistent to its origin ? Would there be a more specific provenance ?
Blade 8" Socket 9". Its looks a bit old.
Any coments would be so much welcome.
fernando

Battara · 26th May 2006, 08:52 PM

I would place it as Qajar period, Persia.

fernando · 26th May 2006, 09:14 PM

Thank you so much, Battara.
Would you say 19th century?

Battara · 26th May 2006, 09:17 PM

Yes, that is when I believe the Qajar revival occured.

fernando · 26th May 2006, 11:39 PM

Thanks again

fernando · 7th June 2006, 07:47 PM

After Battara's observation, i did some web search under his appointed area and eventually found out the etching on the blade is an inscription in Farsi, entangled with a Snake.
I have just received it, and now i need further kind help.
Two vital questions remain unclear to me:
Would it be a Cavalry ( Persian Lancers ) or an Infantry pattern? It measures 45 cms. ( 18" ), blade and socket + - equivalent.
The other problem is i don't get to know the material of its inexistant haft, as i allways strugle to imagine an entire weapon's aspect. I have read that it could either be cane or wood, in the period context, but i can't judge for myself. I wonder if the type of socket is decisive for such conclusion. This one has a narrow entry ( 20 m/ms= 3/4" ) and a much pronounced tapering ... to 10 m/m= 5/16" at the end. This would require a spicky sharpened haft tip; maybe cane, at least hollow cane, would crack ... But above all and, for my layman's surprise, there isn't any hole in the socket for the haft fixation ! How come ? Were sometimes Spear hafts "glued" or "swallen" inside sockets ? would that be enough ?
Could any of the Forum Members give some lightning in these subjects?
Thanks a lot in advance.

26th May 2006, 07:54 PM	#1
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,681	Lance Head for coments I have just ordered this Lance Head. Is the label "Indo Persian" consistent to its origin ? Would there be a more specific provenance ? Blade 8" Socket 9". Its looks a bit old. Any coments would be so much welcome. fernando Attached Images

26th May 2006, 08:52 PM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,170	I would place it as Qajar period, Persia.

26th May 2006, 09:14 PM	#3
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,681	Thank you so much, Battara. Would you say 19th century?

26th May 2006, 09:17 PM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,170	Yes, that is when I believe the Qajar revival occured.

26th May 2006, 11:39 PM	#5
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,681	Thanks again

7th June 2006, 07:47 PM	#6
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,681	After Battara's observation, i did some web search under his appointed area and eventually found out the etching on the blade is an inscription in Farsi, entangled with a Snake. I have just received it, and now i need further kind help. Two vital questions remain unclear to me: Would it be a Cavalry ( Persian Lancers ) or an Infantry pattern? It measures 45 cms. ( 18" ), blade and socket + - equivalent. The other problem is i don't get to know the material of its inexistant haft, as i allways strugle to imagine an entire weapon's aspect. I have read that it could either be cane or wood, in the period context, but i can't judge for myself. I wonder if the type of socket is decisive for such conclusion. This one has a narrow entry ( 20 m/ms= 3/4" ) and a much pronounced tapering ... to 10 m/m= 5/16" at the end. This would require a spicky sharpened haft tip; maybe cane, at least hollow cane, would crack ... But above all and, for my layman's surprise, there isn't any hole in the socket for the haft fixation ! How come ? Were sometimes Spear hafts "glued" or "swallen" inside sockets ? would that be enough ? Could any of the Forum Members give some lightning in these subjects? Thanks a lot in advance.