Knife

Winnlex · 15th January 2015, 11:19 PM

I am trying to get information on a knife. I do not know its origin/history. My dad got it many years ago. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Any help will be appreciated. Thank you.

David · 16th January 2015, 01:03 AM

This looks like a gaucho knife to me, specifically a "cuchilla", a common utility knife of the gaucho. We have an article about such knives on our site and if you scroll down you will see similar examples.
http://www.vikingsword.com/ethsword/facon/criollo.html
The maker here is Broqua & Scholberg. I believe the company started in 1856 and was pretty much defunct by WWII, so that might give you a time frame.

Chris Evans · 16th January 2015, 01:24 AM

Winnlex,

It is an Argentine knife made by Broqua Scholberg & Cia Rosario Santa Fe.

This type of knife if generically known as a "Cuchillo De Campo", translatable as a field knife.

Here's a thread in Spanish on this brand (use Google translator): http://www.armasblancas.com.ar/foros...marca-sol.html

If you are stuck with anything just ask.

Cheers
Chris Evans

David · 16th January 2015, 03:05 AM

Chris, would you say then that the information in the essay posted on our site is wrong. According to that link "cuchillo de campo" have a false bolster. This one has none and is identified as a "cuchilla" in the article.

Chris Evans · 16th January 2015, 05:36 AM

David,

The differentiator between a `cuchillo” and a `cuchilla’ (feminine gender) is primarily by the extent of the blade’s belly, the more pronounced ones belong to the last mentioned class. Often the differentiation is not easy to make because `cuchillos’ also have a belly and a significant overlap exists.

`Cuchillo/cuchilla de campo’ generally refer to sturdy utilitarian knives of substantial size and does not refer to a specific traditional sub-type of regional knives. Domenech acknowledges in this thread, post #27, that he arbitrarily made up this class of knives in his book Dagas De Plata: http://www.armasblancas.com.ar/foros...riollos-3.html.

Domenech’s rather late and narrow definition is not necessarily shared by others, as exemplified by this knife from the renowned Argentinean blade smith Gugliotta: http://www.armasblancas.com.ar/foros...o-rustico.html
And all of these are considered also `cuchillos de campo’: http://www.armasblancas.com.ar/foros...-de-campo.html

So if we use Domench’s definition then it cannot be a `cuchillo de campo’ and it must be either a mere `cuchillo’ (knife!) or a `cuchilla’ (a knife with a pronounced belly). However, I still class it as a `cuchillo de campo’ or perhaps a `cuchilla de campo’

Since the genre made its appearance rather late, I would not be surprised if it is not simply a local rendition of what we would call a `camp knife' and hence the name.

Cheers
Chris Evans

VANDOO · 16th January 2015, 05:56 AM

THESE ARE PRIMARLY A EVERDAY WORK KNIFE CARRIED BY THE WORKERS AND CABALLEROS/VICARREOS. THEY ARE ALSO USED TO SETTLE DISPUTES WHICH SOMETIMES TURN BLOODY.
AFTERMATH OF A ARGENTINE KNFE FIGHT WIN OR LOSE THE OUTCOME CAN BE VERY BAD.

Chris Evans · 16th January 2015, 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VANDOO

THESE ARE PRIMARLY A EVERDAY WORK KNIFE CARRIED BY THE WORKERS AND CABALLEROS/VICARREOS. THEY ARE ALSO USED TO SETTLE DISPUTES WHICH SOMETIMES TURN BLOODY.
AFTERMATH OF A ARGENTINE KNFE FIGHT WIN OR LOSE THE OUTCOME CAN BE VERY BAD.

He must have seen it coming!

Cheers
Chris Evans

Chris Evans · 16th January 2015, 05:57 AM

Hi,

As an afterthought:

In that post #27, Domenech makes the point that many things pertaining to gauchos defies classifications and on his part he only classified generalities and that he owns many items that are outside his own definitions.

Cheers
Chris Evans

15th January 2015, 11:19 PM	#1
Winnlex Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 4	Knife I am trying to get information on a knife. I do not know its origin/history. My dad got it many years ago. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Any help will be appreciated. Thank you. Attached Images

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VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THESE ARE PRIMARLY A EVERDAY WORK KNIFE CARRIED BY THE WORKERS AND CABALLEROS/VICARREOS. THEY ARE ALSO USED TO SETTLE DISPUTES WHICH SOMETIMES TURN BLOODY. AFTERMATH OF A ARGENTINE KNFE FIGHT WIN OR LOSE THE OUTCOME CAN BE VERY BAD. Attached Images

16th January 2015, 01:03 AM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,124	This looks like a gaucho knife to me, specifically a "cuchilla", a common utility knife of the gaucho. We have an article about such knives on our site and if you scroll down you will see similar examples. http://www.vikingsword.com/ethsword/facon/criollo.html The maker here is Broqua & Scholberg. I believe the company started in 1856 and was pretty much defunct by WWII, so that might give you a time frame. Last edited by David; 16th January 2015 at 02:21 AM. Reason: damned auto-correct! :(

16th January 2015, 01:24 AM	#3
Chris Evans Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 682	Winnlex, It is an Argentine knife made by Broqua Scholberg & Cia Rosario Santa Fe. This type of knife if generically known as a "Cuchillo De Campo", translatable as a field knife. Here's a thread in Spanish on this brand (use Google translator): http://www.armasblancas.com.ar/foros...marca-sol.html If you are stuck with anything just ask. Cheers Chris Evans

16th January 2015, 03:05 AM	#4
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,124	Chris, would you say then that the information in the essay posted on our site is wrong. According to that link "cuchillo de campo" have a false bolster. This one has none and is identified as a "cuchilla" in the article.

16th January 2015, 05:36 AM	#5
Chris Evans Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 682	David, The differentiator between a `cuchillo” and a `cuchilla’ (feminine gender) is primarily by the extent of the blade’s belly, the more pronounced ones belong to the last mentioned class. Often the differentiation is not easy to make because `cuchillos’ also have a belly and a significant overlap exists. `Cuchillo/cuchilla de campo’ generally refer to sturdy utilitarian knives of substantial size and does not refer to a specific traditional sub-type of regional knives. Domenech acknowledges in this thread, post #27, that he arbitrarily made up this class of knives in his book Dagas De Plata: http://www.armasblancas.com.ar/foros...riollos-3.html. Domenech’s rather late and narrow definition is not necessarily shared by others, as exemplified by this knife from the renowned Argentinean blade smith Gugliotta: http://www.armasblancas.com.ar/foros...o-rustico.html And all of these are considered also `cuchillos de campo’: http://www.armasblancas.com.ar/foros...-de-campo.html So if we use Domench’s definition then it cannot be a `cuchillo de campo’ and it must be either a mere `cuchillo’ (knife!) or a `cuchilla’ (a knife with a pronounced belly). However, I still class it as a `cuchillo de campo’ or perhaps a `cuchilla de campo’ Since the genre made its appearance rather late, I would not be surprised if it is not simply a local rendition of what we would call a `camp knife' and hence the name. Cheers Chris Evans

16th January 2015, 05:57 AM	#8
Chris Evans Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 682	Hi, As an afterthought: In that post #27, Domenech makes the point that many things pertaining to gauchos defies classifications and on his part he only classified generalities and that he owns many items that are outside his own definitions. Cheers Chris Evans