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Would appreciate you opinion of translation of date on the hilt of this Persian khanjar. Have a knowledgable opinion of 1200, but wonder about the possibilty of 1260,1206,1210 or 1201 and would value your opinions. The curved detail under the flower to the right of the two is what I ponder because it is the only place where the stem does not attach at the middle of the flower which makes me wonder if it is instead a number.
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WOW!
If there were a smilie for 'weeping with envy' I'd insert it here. |
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it's seems to me, 1365
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Thanks for your opinion. Is interesting to me that you also view the possibility of a six being read in the date.... Thanks, rand |
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One thing that strikes me is the beard and how similar the image is to viking art. The balance of multiples of two is very commen on Persian art, its one of the clues that helps differentiate from Ottomans where multiples of three are more commen. Is simply a beautiful, well designed and expertly crafted example of Persian carved Ivory. Would love to know the symbolism of the moustache, any ideas? rand |
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Its simply breathtaking and heartbreakingly beautiful, it certainly reminds me of European ivovy carving of the time (although erotic angels might have earned an unexpected visit from the Inquisition). I think I've got a couple of books that might show some European examples of similar date, I'll have a look for you and come back with anything I find. Regards Gene May we see the whole piece? |
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HI Gene,
Here is the entire dagger If the Persian date of 1200 holds up that is translated into the AD date by subtracting 3% 1200 - 36 (3% of 1200)) 1164 then adding 622 1164 + 622 1786 (possible date) rand Last edited by rand; 25th September 2008 at 11:50 PM. |
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Its beautiful from tip to toe isn't it?
The chap with the big moustache is very interesting. I can't help but think of the Green Man - 'jack in the green' images often carved into english churchs especially rood screens. 'jack' has a 'moustache' which can be anything from a very long curling moustache to actual leaves and foliage sprouting from his nostrils. The image is also often framed by other swirling leaf-like scrolls. The image on your dagger hilt really brings these to mind. |
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