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Dear All,
This old blade has been in my collection for almost one year. But it is still doubtful for me to say that it is a sundang. The type of "greneng" (I don't think this is the right term for it) is suspicious... If it is a sundang, then which sundang? Moro? Malay? Fake sundang? The sheath is suspicious too... It should not be the original one. GANJAWULUNG |
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And not the original sheath, I think...
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Pak Ganja, how long is the blade? and does the blade fit in nicely into the blade?
From my limited experience, this confusing mixture of keris or sundangs pamor, ricikan, wrangka and hilt can be attributed to Kalimantan/Borneo whereby there were a lot of cultural mixture among the locals, Jawanese, Buginese and Sumatrans.... |
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Pak Ganja,
I am sorry, but I think this is a new sundang. The iron looks like it had been artificially aged. I had never seen a genuinely old sundang with this kind of iron. But this is just my blind guess. I hope i am wrong.. Just to add a bit, a few years back, i was shown by a relative their familiy's pusaka sundang. Everything looks Malay, but the greneng looks more towards Moro side. I guess, Malay sundang also uses Moro greneng.. ![]() Last edited by rasdan; 18th March 2010 at 04:44 AM. |
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From cleaning blades experience -- with coconut's husk, and then "mutih" (whiten) the blade with lime-juice and cream-soap or whatever -- you may learn too to differ which blade is newly made and which is old... Anyway, thanks a lot for the comments... GANJAWULUNG |
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No problem Pak Ganja. It is just my guess. It is good to know that you had learnt the ageing technique. I only know salt & sulphur and natural rusting. What i know is, if the blade is made of wrought iron, the combination of the above ageing methods would be enough to make blades look old. It is just that we have to be patient with the natural rusting process. One year of sun and rain, the blade would look rather antique.
Perhaps you can enlighten us here on how artificial aging is being done? I also attached a picture of a sundang tang that supposedly had been aged. Unfortunately i don't know the ageing technique used. This sundang is probably from Madura. The ageing pattern is very convincing. Last edited by rasdan; 18th March 2010 at 08:21 AM. |
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But of course, not as simple as that. And not simple to explain. You must practice yourself... Quote:
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Hello Pak Ganja,
It's certainly a keris sundang - I'm not convinced that it's antique though. My first thought was that this may have come from a pande Jawa, or probably be a Madurese creation. The blade is not Moro (laminations and scroll work are off). Any pic of the blade tip? Quote:
AFAIK sundang blades were kept smooth (like keris Bali) in all ethnic groups with a keris sundang tradition. Possibly Rasdan was referring to the obviously Javanese surface treatment? Quote:
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