my favorite rapier

cornelistromp · 15th February 2011, 04:23 PM

Iam more into the early medieval swords as some might know but I will probably never be separated from this rapier, I think I appreciate the roughness of those 16th century swords.
blade 104cm AOL 122cm
blade stamped with a face mark and in the fuller CAVAIO MARINO.

I found a similar in the museum of Zagreb described as South German 1580, and I saw a statue in Madrid with a similar sword hilt.
So Iam not sure if it is German or Spanish.

Best,

cornelistromp · 15th February 2011, 04:25 PM

the mens head mark and inscription in the fuller.

fernando · 15th February 2011, 07:01 PM

Magnificent, Jasper
I would give everything to have it ... i swear!
You sure know what CAVALO MARINO means: Sea horse. The right spell in Spanish (Castillian) would be CAVALLO MARIÑO; Cavalo with a single L is the correct spell in Portuguese, by the way.
Well, with a bit of imagination,the facial shape of the hilt may resemble a sea horse. Would therefore the inscription be an allegory to the hilt type?
On the other hand, it could only be my eyes, but the head mark profile looks similar to one thought to be from Solingen.

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VANDOO · 15th February 2011, 11:18 PM

SHE'S A BEAUTY I BET SHE FEELS GOOD IN THE HAND, HOWS THE BALANCE.?

Jim McDougall · 17th February 2011, 12:25 AM

Good points on the spelling, and as always, these unusual spellings of Spanish words and names often reveal Solingen work. It seems I have seen these rather rough looking almost 'mechanically' styled openwork hilts on at least one other rapier I can recall that was Spanish. In the latter 16th century it seems to me that Spanish nobility often was strongly drawn to German arms and armor, despite the clear leadership of Italian makers in setting fashion in weaponry. There are known examples of German work among recorded conquistador arms and armor, though I cannot say this style is part of these.
What does Norman say on the hilt style ?, Im too lazy to look it up

cornelistromp · 18th February 2011, 07:05 PM

the sword??? of the Spanish admiral Alvaro de Bazan, first marquise of Santa Cruz who defeated the Turkish ships at the Ionic sea, Lepanto, 7 October 1571. The sword together with the keys of the town of Tunesia concered in 1535 by the troups of carlos I.

15th February 2011, 04:23 PM	#1
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,058	my favorite rapier Iam more into the early medieval swords as some might know but I will probably never be separated from this rapier, I think I appreciate the roughness of those 16th century swords. blade 104cm AOL 122cm blade stamped with a face mark and in the fuller CAVAIO MARINO. I found a similar in the museum of Zagreb described as South German 1580, and I saw a statue in Madrid with a similar sword hilt. So Iam not sure if it is German or Spanish. Best, Attached Images Last edited by fernando; 19th April 2011 at 03:25 PM.

15th February 2011, 04:25 PM	#2
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,058	the mens head mark and inscription in the fuller. Attached Images Last edited by fernando; 19th April 2011 at 03:34 PM.

15th February 2011, 07:01 PM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Magnificent, Jasper I would give everything to have it ... i swear! You sure know what CAVALO MARINO means: Sea horse. The right spell in Spanish (Castillian) would be CAVALLO MARIÑO; Cavalo with a single L is the correct spell in Portuguese, by the way. Well, with a bit of imagination,the facial shape of the hilt may resemble a sea horse. Would therefore the inscription be an allegory to the hilt type? On the other hand, it could only be my eyes, but the head mark profile looks similar to one thought to be from Solingen. . Attached Images

18th February 2011, 07:05 PM	#6
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,058	the sword??? of the Spanish admiral Alvaro de Bazan, first marquise of Santa Cruz who defeated the Turkish ships at the Ionic sea, Lepanto, 7 October 1571. The sword together with the keys of the town of Tunesia concered in 1535 by the troups of carlos I. Attached Images Last edited by fernando; 19th April 2011 at 03:38 PM.

15th February 2011, 11:18 PM	#4
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	SHE'S A BEAUTY I BET SHE FEELS GOOD IN THE HAND, HOWS THE BALANCE.?

17th February 2011, 12:25 AM	#5
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,940	Good points on the spelling, and as always, these unusual spellings of Spanish words and names often reveal Solingen work. It seems I have seen these rather rough looking almost 'mechanically' styled openwork hilts on at least one other rapier I can recall that was Spanish. In the latter 16th century it seems to me that Spanish nobility often was strongly drawn to German arms and armor, despite the clear leadership of Italian makers in setting fashion in weaponry. There are known examples of German work among recorded conquistador arms and armor, though I cannot say this style is part of these. What does Norman say on the hilt style ?, Im too lazy to look it up