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Hello again. I am posting them one by one for comment. This one I know little about other than it may be fairly old due to the wear from many ritual cleaning. I like the hilt, is it just normal Javanese?
Thanks! Last edited by Rick; 18th April 2012 at 03:06 PM. |
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Hello Dan,
The hilt style is Madurese but the carving is very rough for Madura standards - possibly village work and a genuine combo. I believe the blade needs staining before we can give detailed comments. Regards, Kai |
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Hi,
Agree with Kai, the hilt is just a poor quality and probably recent Madurese piece IMO, you can notice the rough carving. ![]() Regards |
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This is a keris from Madura. The whole piece has some age. The ukiran is a recent replacement. Replace the replacement for a good maduran ukiran, stain the blade and give the sheath and the mendak a polish and you have a fine madurese keris.
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I have some concerns about staining the blade as it very thin in spots.
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Sorry, I doubt that this blade will show after staining a good visible pamor since the blade have had to much corrosion.
like the others I have to say that the hilt is a cheaply worked recent one, not worth to keep. There are a lot of much better Madura keris offered everywhere so I think that the complete ensemble is not a "keeper". Sorry Dan, but I think that a open word regarding this keris is much more helpful for you. Best regards, Detlef |
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Sorry, it is a "keeper" to me. I happen to like this keris for several reasons. This is a keris with it's own history and character that I can appreciate. Perhaps I am a home to unwanted kerises? If so, I am proud of that.
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Always buy the best that you can afford .
Buy the keris; not the 'story' . Quality is always better than quantity . |
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Hi Dan,
I can fully understand that you like the blade & sheath of your kris in their original condition because of their age and history, but no way for the hilt! I attach a picture of a Madurese hilt which your piece is suppose to copy and expect that you can notice the difference in craftsmanship. ![]() Regards |
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![]() ![]() This keris was rehilted since the blade and sheath are old but the hilt is much more recent and really unskilled worked. A second point: The keris itself coming from a high culture and need care. Repairing the broken wrongko, polishing the wood and the pendok and changing the hilt would be the minimum what i would do with this keris when I like it. I have collected several keris in Indonesia and ebay as well which has been in a pitiful state. The most of my keris are not worked from high skilled empus or pande but I have tried to bring them in a status which is worth to keep them for coming generations. Look for example to this keris. I have bought it years ago for very low money in Indonesia. It was in a very similar state as your keris. The blade have had corrosion, the sheath was in a real poor condition and the hilt was a similar one you have at your keris. The blade was cleaned and have get a new stain, the sheath (the break repair was before) have get some care (the worm holes in the back was filled with wood filler and it has get a polish with some coats of shellack), the mendak and hilt was replaced by better ones. Now, also when it is not a keris of high level, it is one which have a cultural worth (IMHO). When I have written before that your keris isn't a "keeper" it was based upon the fact that I have the opinion that you and nobody else will be able to bring the blade alive. And the blade is the heart of every keris. And at last, I only can second the words from Rick, very wise words. Sorry for the poor pictures, have taken them just in the moment to show you what I mean. Regards, Detlef |
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