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13th November 2010, 05:24 AM
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Yataghan Needing Translation (Ivory-Coral)
Greetings Folks!
I just got this nice yat from Cowan's today. The hilt is walrus ivory and the stones are corals. Low silver filigree is on the hilt. On the blade is silver koftgari with a semblance of a Solomon's star on one side (with decorative silver koftgari) and the other side has probably Turkish in Arabic script. The scabbard is wood covered with black leather and steel mounts. Big hilt and blade! Note the stitching on the leather. When I got it it was caked in black dirt and green corrosion. Now it is cleaned and nicer. Enjoy  
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13th November 2010, 05:25 AM
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And here is some more:
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13th November 2010, 05:27 AM
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This is where I need a translation:
(I can break it down into bigger parts if needed) |
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13th November 2010, 10:29 AM
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very beautifull Ya indeed biggest pic's will be requested if you want really a translation  ŕ + Dom |
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13th November 2010, 02:48 PM
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Hello Jose,
not my area of collecting but a very lovely Yataghan, congrats to this nice find. detlef |
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13th November 2010, 07:27 PM
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Thank you Sajen.
Dom here are bigger pictures in parts, photographed from right to left and top to bottom: |
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19th November 2010, 06:35 PM
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I have noticed though that the star on your sword is an 8-pointed star. Usually the star (or seal) of Solomon is related to the 6-pointed star (also the Star of David) and i have on occasion seen the pentagram (5-pointed star) referred to as the Star of Solomon as well. I believe the 8-pointed star is what is sometimes referred to as the Seal of the Prophets or khatim sulayman. The phrase “seal of the prophets” is also used in the Koran and has particular ideological meaning for Muslims. |
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19th November 2010, 08:28 PM
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OOOO.......I missed that one. Thanks David. Good points (every pun intended
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5th December 2010, 06:31 AM
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I was reading more in Elgood's book The Arms of Greece and Her Balkan Neighbors in the Ottoman Period (p.65) and he noted that the inscription on this blade is common on Balkan pieces in general, but less common on yataghans............
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5th December 2010, 07:35 AM
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I disagree. The La fatâ illâ ‘Alî la sayf illâ Zu’l-Fikâr inscription is actually quite popular on yataghan blades and sword blades in general, due to the associations with the magic properties of Ali's legendary sword. I am attaching a picture of a blade with this inscription for reference, from an article in Bulgarian about common inscriptions on weapons and their meaning. The seven sleepers inscription is encountered less often, but it is not uncommon - if you search the forum I am sure you will find at least two more examples of it. Apparently, the fable about the sleepers was used as a symbolic reference to dying in the name of the faith and going to heaven. Regards, Teodor |
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5th December 2010, 07:37 PM
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So you think it is quite common.....
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