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i like this sundang, but i dont know anything,,,region?,dapur(model)?,
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Hello,
not my field but look's very interesting, I've never seen a "greneng"-form like this by a Moro-blade. Seems to be a good and old blade. Other members can tell you more for sure. Maybe try to clean it like in some threads described. And sorry, I think it's the wrong place for a philippine blade. Regards, sajen |
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![]() Karset, i can't tell from the photos, is the pesi round or oval or is it flat? |
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Hullo everybody,
From the photos, my first guess is that the blade was made for a lesser notable (possibly ceremonial) from Sabah/North Borneo. Age probably 18thC or earlier. Best, |
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Sajen> Greneng work of this blade are one of reason i take this sundang.
David> Pesi is flat,,,like golok or pedang. can u tell me why u asking that? Amuk> ceremonial, or symbol status? Moro, malay,Borneo,,,,? |
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Hello karset,
Nice catch! What are the measurements of this blade? Once again, I don't think that exiling keris sundang to the main forum does make any sense (and even less to separate Indo from Moro sundang...). It doesn't seem like the main forum will need to close down due to inactivity if all Moro kris threads move over here either - keris unite, I say! ![]() ![]() ![]() Regards, Kai |
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Hello Amuk,
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I also have no clue what features would suggest a Sabah origin? AFAIK, most blades from there are obviously of traditional Sulu style with a notable minority of Mindanao style blades thrown in (trade as well as Illanum connection). Anyway, users of these kris would be Moro with close (political and economical) ties to the Sulu sultanate. Not much room for ideosyncratic styles, I guess. Even early collected pieces from western collections with provenance from other regions on Borneo (mainly Kalimantan Timur and Brunei) seem to exhibit conservative Moro styles rather than unique variations. OTOH, the base features of this blade include several details which do not seem to be Moro at all (will try to edit a pic to show the details I mean). My bet would be Sumatra but I wouldn't rule out the Peninsula either. Incidentally, the closest to the greneng of this piece seem to be exhibited by Sharial's keris: More pics here! Discussion on this keris. Cleaning and etching this keris sundang blade may yield additional insights into this mystery, I guess. Regards, Kai |
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blade 51 cm / 20 inch.
Pesi 7cm / 3 inch. Ganja 10cm/ 4 inch. I will clean the blade,,and go back, hope i dont distrubing. |
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Kai,,,yes i will "warang" this blade,but the rain could be inpredictable at this time..im not comtable using spotlight or hair dryer.
when i first see this blade i think its bali or malay? the pesi wich flat like "golok" or "pedang" make me remember Singosari, and some old stuff like pajajaran kudi ,,.look like kul buntet got same feel old jawatimur ![]() Now im planing to make a temporary handle and sheath while waiting rain season stop. Sorry for my english. |
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I just got to this thread and I agree with Kai. It is not Bali but perhaps Sabah or Malay. The rectangular tang in cross section makes me think Sabah. The reason is that the Moro kris have this same tang construction but not the style of ganga or front section. I might say Moro influenced but not Moro.
The okir on the blade looks like a mix of Sulu and Malay design, leaning toward Malay. |
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here pic of "wadingdang",somehow make me remember pedang suduk,,,,
Alam Shah,,your minangkabau are beatiful,,,, i use bali handle"jaglir" at pic that show the shape of bottom ganja,,only for help to take pic. |
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