CLUB LIKE UTENSILS NON WEAPONS

VANDOO · 1st December 2010, 04:37 AM

THERE ARE QUITE A FEW COMMON EVERYDAY ITEMS USED IN TRIBAL LIFE THAT COULD SERVE AS A CLUB BUT WERE USED MOSTLY IN FOOD PREPARATION OR CEREMONY. SOME ARE QUITE NICE AND HAVE DESIGNS BUT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN CARRIED INTO BATTLE EVEN THOUGH THEY WOULD MAKE A SERVICABLE CLUB.
THESE ARE NOT WEAPONS BUT IT MAY KEEP SOMEONE FROM BUYING A FOOD STIRRER AT THE PRICE OF A WAR CLUB.
HERE ARE A FEW EXAMPLES FROM NEW GUINEA, AFRICA AND POLYNESIA. FOR PREPARATION OF SAGO, POI AND GRAINS. MOST ARE WOOD BUT MOST OF THE OCEANIC POI POUNDERS WERE USUALLY STONE. THE STONE ONES MAY HAVE SURVIVED WHERE WOOD DID NOT OR KAPU (LAW)INSISTED STONE BE USED?

VANDOO · 1st December 2010, 05:01 AM

I WILL INCLUDE SOME PICTURES OF THE STONE POUNDERS FROM TAHITI,MARQUESAS, HAWAII, MICRONESIA. THERE IS A GOOD ARTICLE ON THEM IN TRIBAL ARTS MAGAZINE I INCLUDE SOME PICTURES FROM IT. A GOOD REFRENCE IN CASE SOMEONE COMES ACROSS ONE SOMEWHERE.
1. and 6 from tahiti
2. from micronesia
3. from marquesas
4. hawaii
5. cook islands, made from stalagmite stone

and 3 pictures from tribal arts.

Billman · 7th December 2010, 07:49 PM

Is pounder the correct description for these stone tools??? It implies a striking action - surely they are used with a rocking/grinding action - stone is relatively brittle, and does not withstand impact well - even light blows, if repeated can break it (c.f. flint knapping with antler or wooden strikers)...

The handle forms on many look as though they would also be rotated, c.f. stone corn mills (quern) see: http://www.angelfire.com/journal/mil.../handmill.html

fearn · 7th December 2010, 11:20 PM

Hi Billman,

A lot of those are poi pounders from Hawaii. They get used on relatively soft stuff (like pounding taro into poi), and they are used with a wooden board as the anvil. They're used for pounding other foodstuffs, and they come in a variety of grades and materials.

In the back of my mind, I have this faint memory that the Bishop Museum has a pikoi made from a poi pounder. Does that ring any bells?

Best,

F

Nagawarrior · 8th December 2010, 02:43 AM

Here's a link to my club weapon that turned out to be a spoon or butter churn. Live and learn.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=2479

VANDOO · 21st December 2010, 04:09 AM

I WILL ADD A FEW MORE EXAMPLES FOR REFRENCE.
THE STONE POI POUNDERS ARTICLE WAS IN (TRIBAL ARTS MAGAZINE , AUTUM/WINTER 1996 VOL.#11)
1 &2 PICTURES OF A MASSIM SAGO PREPERATION TOOL
2. A FRUNITURE MALLET 31IN LONG
3. & 4 . AFRICA, YOURUBA SHANGO STAFFS, 23 AND 24.5 IN. LONG

1st December 2010, 05:01 AM	#2
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	I WILL INCLUDE SOME PICTURES OF THE STONE POUNDERS FROM TAHITI,MARQUESAS, HAWAII, MICRONESIA. THERE IS A GOOD ARTICLE ON THEM IN TRIBAL ARTS MAGAZINE I INCLUDE SOME PICTURES FROM IT. A GOOD REFRENCE IN CASE SOMEONE COMES ACROSS ONE SOMEWHERE. 1. and 6 from tahiti 2. from micronesia 3. from marquesas 4. hawaii 5. cook islands, made from stalagmite stone and 3 pictures from tribal arts. Attached Images

21st December 2010, 04:09 AM	#6
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	I WILL ADD A FEW MORE EXAMPLES FOR REFRENCE. THE STONE POI POUNDERS ARTICLE WAS IN (TRIBAL ARTS MAGAZINE , AUTUM/WINTER 1996 VOL.#11) 1 &2 PICTURES OF A MASSIM SAGO PREPERATION TOOL 2. A FRUNITURE MALLET 31IN LONG 3. & 4 . AFRICA, YOURUBA SHANGO STAFFS, 23 AND 24.5 IN. LONG Attached Images

1st December 2010, 04:37 AM	#1
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	CLUB LIKE UTENSILS NON WEAPONS THERE ARE QUITE A FEW COMMON EVERYDAY ITEMS USED IN TRIBAL LIFE THAT COULD SERVE AS A CLUB BUT WERE USED MOSTLY IN FOOD PREPARATION OR CEREMONY. SOME ARE QUITE NICE AND HAVE DESIGNS BUT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN CARRIED INTO BATTLE EVEN THOUGH THEY WOULD MAKE A SERVICABLE CLUB. THESE ARE NOT WEAPONS BUT IT MAY KEEP SOMEONE FROM BUYING A FOOD STIRRER AT THE PRICE OF A WAR CLUB. HERE ARE A FEW EXAMPLES FROM NEW GUINEA, AFRICA AND POLYNESIA. FOR PREPARATION OF SAGO, POI AND GRAINS. MOST ARE WOOD BUT MOST OF THE OCEANIC POI POUNDERS WERE USUALLY STONE. THE STONE ONES MAY HAVE SURVIVED WHERE WOOD DID NOT OR KAPU (LAW)INSISTED STONE BE USED? Attached Images Last edited by VANDOO; 1st December 2010 at 04:53 AM.

7th December 2010, 07:49 PM	#3
Billman Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 129	Is pounder the correct description for these stone tools??? It implies a striking action - surely they are used with a rocking/grinding action - stone is relatively brittle, and does not withstand impact well - even light blows, if repeated can break it (c.f. flint knapping with antler or wooden strikers)... The handle forms on many look as though they would also be rotated, c.f. stone corn mills (quern) see: http://www.angelfire.com/journal/mil.../handmill.html

7th December 2010, 11:20 PM	#4
fearn Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,247	Hi Billman, A lot of those are poi pounders from Hawaii. They get used on relatively soft stuff (like pounding taro into poi), and they are used with a wooden board as the anvil. They're used for pounding other foodstuffs, and they come in a variety of grades and materials. In the back of my mind, I have this faint memory that the Bishop Museum has a pikoi made from a poi pounder. Does that ring any bells? Best, F

8th December 2010, 02:43 AM	#5
Nagawarrior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Inland Empire, Southern California USA Posts: 160	Here's a link to my club weapon that turned out to be a spoon or butter churn. Live and learn. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=2479