Unknown pamor

Jean · 9th July 2010, 02:32 PM

Dear friends,
What is this rare pamor on a blade from Solo?
I got 3 very different opinions from recognized experts, which I will tell you after getting yours.
Best regards
Jean

Marcokeris · 9th July 2010, 03:46 PM

VERY NICE
never seen like this
IMO There is something about Untuk Banju inside (but only a little)

Jean · 9th July 2010, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcokeris

VERY NICE
never seen like this
IMO There is something about Untuk Banju inside (but only a little)

Dear Marco,
Haha, a fourth different opinion then! Thanks, I will wait for other opinions to indicate those which I received.
Best regards
Jean

drdavid · 9th July 2010, 11:08 PM

Similar to ganggeng kanyut perhaps
drdavid

A. G. Maisey · 10th July 2010, 01:03 AM

I cannot immediately recognise what the maker was trying to produce.

We may be looking at a unique design, we may be looking at a failed attempt, or we may be looking at a variation of a conventional motif.

I will need to spend some time on analysis of this pamor motif before I am prepared to comment.

It goes without saying that working from a photograph is very far from being an ideal situation. This blade should really be examined under magnification and from a number of angles, in order to form an opinion.

Incidentally, in my opinion this blade was not made in Solo. It may have "come from Solo", but it was not produced there. Most likely point of origin is Madura.

A. G. Maisey · 10th July 2010, 04:47 AM

Sorry, I cannot name this pamor.

Since my earlier post I have spent a lot of time looking at the images, and my reference material.

The images do not tell me how this pamor material was manipulated, which I would need to know to have some chance of naming it.

On first impression it looks like a double twist welded side by side and with indentation,or perhaps with an additional "lawe setukal" bend process added in, but used in a different orientation, but when you look at the grain flow it seems as if it could be patches of material placed together.

The only way I could be certain about what I was looking at would be by physical examination using magnification. Without this facility I cannot give an opinion.

However, if somebody threatened to stick hot needles under my fingernails in the absence of an answer, I'd call it a dadung muntir variation.

9th July 2010, 02:32 PM	#1
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Unknown pamor Dear friends, What is this rare pamor on a blade from Solo? I got 3 very different opinions from recognized experts, which I will tell you after getting yours. Best regards Jean Attached Images

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Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	VERY NICE never seen like this IMO There is something about Untuk Banju inside (but only a little)

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drdavid Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 371	Similar to ganggeng kanyut perhaps drdavid

10th July 2010, 01:03 AM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,861	I cannot immediately recognise what the maker was trying to produce. We may be looking at a unique design, we may be looking at a failed attempt, or we may be looking at a variation of a conventional motif. I will need to spend some time on analysis of this pamor motif before I am prepared to comment. It goes without saying that working from a photograph is very far from being an ideal situation. This blade should really be examined under magnification and from a number of angles, in order to form an opinion. Incidentally, in my opinion this blade was not made in Solo. It may have "come from Solo", but it was not produced there. Most likely point of origin is Madura.

10th July 2010, 04:47 AM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,861	Sorry, I cannot name this pamor. Since my earlier post I have spent a lot of time looking at the images, and my reference material. The images do not tell me how this pamor material was manipulated, which I would need to know to have some chance of naming it. On first impression it looks like a double twist welded side by side and with indentation,or perhaps with an additional "lawe setukal" bend process added in, but used in a different orientation, but when you look at the grain flow it seems as if it could be patches of material placed together. The only way I could be certain about what I was looking at would be by physical examination using magnification. Without this facility I cannot give an opinion. However, if somebody threatened to stick hot needles under my fingernails in the absence of an answer, I'd call it a dadung muntir variation.