Islamic Text Found in a swordhandle

Dajak · 6th March 2006, 01:26 PM

Can anyone tell me if a name from the owner is on the paper

Dajak · 6th March 2006, 02:12 PM

on the scabbard

Dajak · 6th March 2006, 08:07 PM

No one any idee ?????

LabanTayo · 6th March 2006, 09:13 PM

what kind of sword did this come from?
was the paper inside the sword handle?

Dajak · 6th March 2006, 11:56 PM

Hi it is a peduang from sumatra that has enter the Netherlands in 1850
the papers was hidden in a bag made from cloth that was
put inside the handprotector

the story about this sword is that it was used bij a high placed men that was very close to the sultan off Atjeh between 1650 and 1700

Ian · 7th March 2006, 12:50 AM

Dajak:

I can't help you with the Arabic translation, but I'm looking at that scabbard and it appears to be a late 19th C or early 20th C piece, perhaps modeled on the Dutch military klewang scabbard of that period. Certainly not original to the sword, if the sword is 17-18th C. in origin.

I'm also skeptical about the paper and writing being as old as the sword is purported to be. Given the way it was stored, its appearance is remarkably pristine and well preserved. An analysis of the paper and ink could reveal a recent origin.

Nonetheless, a very nice hilt. Any chance we could see the blade?

Ian.

RhysMichael · 7th March 2006, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dajak

Hi it is a peduang from sumatra that has enter the Netherlands in 1850
the papers was hidden in a bag made from cloth that was
put inside the handprotector

the story about this sword is that it was used bij a high placed men that was very close to the sultan off Atjeh between 1650 and 1700

Dajak that is a wonderful example of a peudeueng peusangan with a hulu meu apet. I have never seen a better one and only 2 as nice. I know of 2 of these for sale now ( at least they were available the other week ) but both are priced beyond a firefighters salary. One that is also a royal sword is listed as Indian and I cannnot convince the seller otherwise. Congratulations and thanks for sharing. May I use a picture of it and the talisman in the article on these swords you saw referenced.

Raja Muda,Alam Shah and John I did not know that there were talismans in these swords ( Tangkal, azimat or zimat). Are these similar to anting in Philippine swords ? If you have any other information please let me know to add it to the article. Thanks in advance

Ariel and Andrew thanks for the kind words on the article. But in truth it is mostly information pulled together from members here. With a little thrown in from other texts. So Ariel you and the others here really deserve more credit for it than I do. I will try to have it updated with this information before I go to Timonium

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Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi it is a peduang from sumatra that has enter the Netherlands in 1850 the papers was hidden in a bag made from cloth that was put inside the handprotector the story about this sword is that it was used bij a high placed men that was very close to the sultan off Atjeh between 1650 and 1700 Attached Images

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Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	No one any idee ?????

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LabanTayo Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kansas City Posts: 177	what kind of sword did this come from? was the paper inside the sword handle?

7th March 2006, 12:50 AM	#6
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,207	Dajak: I can't help you with the Arabic translation, but I'm looking at that scabbard and it appears to be a late 19th C or early 20th C piece, perhaps modeled on the Dutch military klewang scabbard of that period. Certainly not original to the sword, if the sword is 17-18th C. in origin. I'm also skeptical about the paper and writing being as old as the sword is purported to be. Given the way it was stored, its appearance is remarkably pristine and well preserved. An analysis of the paper and ink could reveal a recent origin. Nonetheless, a very nice hilt. Any chance we could see the blade? Ian.