3 keris for comments please.

hbhansen · 24th January 2016, 08:15 AM

Hi Guys.
I am way out of my collecting area here. What have I got ?
Thank you very much !
Best
HB

Jean · 24th January 2016, 09:13 AM

Hum, only the kris on the right of the picture (from East Java) is a good collectible piece IMO (the front side of the ladrang scabbard is damaged though).
The kris on the left of the pics has a blade which misses its ganja so it is worthless, and the kris in the middle is a very mediocre quality balinese piece.
You should be more selective next time!

Henk · 24th January 2016, 11:32 AM

Sorry Jean,

A bit less crude opinion is much more friendlier.

The third keris is indeed the best one in my opinion too. The crack in the scabbard should be restored and the ukiran should be turned to the other side, just like keris number one.

The first keris isn't so bad and certainly not worthless as you put it. The mendak is missing and can be replaced. The gonjo is missing but could be replaced also. But is it really missing? I can recall a comment of Alan that there are kerisses without out a gonjo. Same like a gonjo iras where the gonjo had been chisseled into the blade.

The keris in the middle is tourist stuff and could be placed in the section: mistakes we never should forget, in the attic, like we all have

And why should HB more selective? What we collect is a matter of personal taste and the thickness of our wallet. Maybe this was a bargain the effort worth.

I see some items from fellow collectors I know i never can afford. I love to see it and i enjoy it while i congratulate the owner. When i can collect a similar item of less quality, but in my opnion a beautiful piece, i'm happy with it.

Jean · 25th January 2016, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Henk

Sorry Jean,

A bit less crude opinion is much more friendlier.

The first keris isn't so bad and certainly not worthless as you put it. The mendak is missing and can be replaced. The gonjo is missing but could be replaced also. But is it really missing?

And why should HB more selective?

Hello Henk,
Sorry if my frank opinion looks crude but it was not my intent to be unduly critical but to try to help Mr HBHansen for his future kris purchases and I apologize to him if he feels offended.
And I maintain that the ganja of the first kris is missing since the pejetan cavity extends to the bottom of the blade (not the case for a ganja iras).
Regards

harrywagner · 24th January 2016, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jean

Hum, only the kris on the right of the picture (from East Java) is a good collectible piece IMO (the front side of the ladrang scabbard is damaged though).
The kris on the left of the pics has a blade which misses its ganja so it is worthless, and the kris in the middle is a very mediocre quality balinese piece.
You should be more selective next time!

I respectfully disagree. Not that I know what I am talking about.

I don't think I had ever seen a Keris until ~2 years ago. That being said, I like the center (darker) one - a lot. I would have bought that one in a heartbeat. Congrats on your find. They look like keepers to me, especially the darker one.

Harry

Gustav · 24th January 2016, 02:25 PM

Yes, the middle one is a real artwork.

Looks like it combines a real (residual) pamor with some "wax reserve dyeing" or something like it.

Very very low level kerisses. And with enthusiastic comments about such blades also the level of this Forum is becoming increasingly low, sorry guys.

harrywagner · 24th January 2016, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Gustav

Yes, the middle one is a real artwork.

Looks like it combines a real (residual) pamor with some "wax reserve dyeing" or something like it.

Very very low level kerisses. And with enthusiastic comments about such blades also the level of this Forum is becoming increasingly low, sorry guys.

It is unfortunate that we cannot all live up to your high standard, but I don't recall seeing anything in the forum rules that said newbies were not welcome. It could just be me, or the fact that I am a newbie, but shouldn't we be trying to encourage rather than criticize?

Henk · 24th January 2016, 04:40 PM

Harry,

I understand that you like the center one. I suppose you should handle this one together with a real Balinese keris. Then you will understand the differences. Such a keris was one of the first keris I bought as a boy from my saved pocketmoney because i couldn't afford a real antique one. Also my knowledge was very low to nothing.

Gustav,

My comment on the other two kerisses isn't very enthousiastic. Still the third keris isn't so bad after all and the first one isn't completely worthless.
You're right they're not of royal standard either. Don't critisize a new member with some minor knowledge. Better explain and teach, instead of being rude and cynical.

24th January 2016, 08:15 AM	#1
hbhansen Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Denmark Posts: 89	3 keris for comments please. Hi Guys. I am way out of my collecting area here. What have I got ? Thank you very much ! Best HB Attached Images

24th January 2016, 11:32 AM	#3
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Sorry Jean, A bit less crude opinion is much more friendlier. The third keris is indeed the best one in my opinion too. The crack in the scabbard should be restored and the ukiran should be turned to the other side, just like keris number one. The first keris isn't so bad and certainly not worthless as you put it. The mendak is missing and can be replaced. The gonjo is missing but could be replaced also. But is it really missing? I can recall a comment of Alan that there are kerisses without out a gonjo. Same like a gonjo iras where the gonjo had been chisseled into the blade. The keris in the middle is tourist stuff and could be placed in the section: mistakes we never should forget, in the attic, like we all have And why should HB more selective? What we collect is a matter of personal taste and the thickness of our wallet. Maybe this was a bargain the effort worth. I see some items from fellow collectors I know i never can afford. I love to see it and i enjoy it while i congratulate the owner. When i can collect a similar item of less quality, but in my opnion a beautiful piece, i'm happy with it. Last edited by Henk; 24th January 2016 at 12:06 PM.

24th January 2016, 09:13 AM	#2
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Hum, only the kris on the right of the picture (from East Java) is a good collectible piece IMO (the front side of the ladrang scabbard is damaged though). The kris on the left of the pics has a blade which misses its ganja so it is worthless, and the kris in the middle is a very mediocre quality balinese piece. You should be more selective next time!

24th January 2016, 02:25 PM	#6
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,247	Yes, the middle one is a real artwork. Looks like it combines a real (residual) pamor with some "wax reserve dyeing" or something like it. Very very low level kerisses. And with enthusiastic comments about such blades also the level of this Forum is becoming increasingly low, sorry guys.

24th January 2016, 04:40 PM	#8
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Harry, I understand that you like the center one. I suppose you should handle this one together with a real Balinese keris. Then you will understand the differences. Such a keris was one of the first keris I bought as a boy from my saved pocketmoney because i couldn't afford a real antique one. Also my knowledge was very low to nothing. Gustav, My comment on the other two kerisses isn't very enthousiastic. Still the third keris isn't so bad after all and the first one isn't completely worthless. You're right they're not of royal standard either. Don't critisize a new member with some minor knowledge. Better explain and teach, instead of being rude and cynical.