Ethnographic Arms & Armour
 

Go Back   Ethnographic Arms & Armour > Discussion Forums > European Armoury
FAQ Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 30th July 2014, 10:37 AM   #1
ulfberth
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 400
Default a sail guard left hand dagger

A sail guard left hand dagger

Total length 48 CM , the blade 36 CM.
The fuller of the blade has the IHS mark on both sides.
I place this one in the third part of the 16th century.
The origin could be north Italian or even Spanish or Portuguese
comments are as always welcome

Kind regards

Dirk
Attached Images
       
ulfberth is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th September 2015, 06:01 AM   #2
CSinTX
Member
 
CSinTX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 233
Default

I am surprised no one commented on this one.

What does the IHS mean?
CSinTX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th September 2015, 07:59 AM   #3
Cerjak
Member
 
Cerjak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: FRANCE
Posts: 1,065
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CSinTX
I am surprised no one commented on this one.
You could see This old post
What does the IHS mean?
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=18165
Cerjak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th September 2015, 12:48 PM   #4
fernando
(deceased)
 
fernando's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Portugal
Posts: 9,694
Default

Shame on me, ulfberth; i let this one go without even admiring such excelent example .
Take my guess as it being Spanish; above all, because of that motif on the sail guard that seems to be intended to depict the famous shell (scallop) symbol of Santiago (Saint James).
I am only surprised that such unique quality dagger has no maker's mark (symbol) on the ricasso.

.
Attached Images
 

Last edited by fernando; 4th September 2015 at 01:18 PM.
fernando is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th September 2015, 01:25 PM   #5
ulfberth
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 400
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by fernando
Shame on me, ulfberth; i let this one go without even admiring such excelent example .
Take my guess as it being Spanish; above all, because of that motif on the sail guard that seems to be intended to depict the famous shell (scallop) symbol of Santiago (Saint James).
I am only surprised that such unique quality dagger has no maker's mark (symbol) on the ricasso.

.
Thank Fernando,

Indeed it has no stamps on the ricasso, but it has a stamp of a sea horse about 15mm bellow the fuller.

kind regards

Ulfberth
ulfberth is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th September 2015, 02:08 PM   #6
fernando
(deceased)
 
fernando's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Portugal
Posts: 9,694
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ulfberth
Thank Fernando,

Indeed it has no stamps on the ricasso, but it has a stamp of a sea horse about 15mm bellow the fuller.

kind regards

Ulfberth
Can we have a close up picture ?
fernando is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th September 2015, 12:53 PM   #7
ulfberth
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 400
Default

Hi Casey,

below a rather complete explanation:

What IHS really means – Jesus
The name “Jesus”, in Greek, is written ιησους which is transliterated as “ihsous” and pronounced iēsous. This is the Holy Name as it was written in the Gospels.
However, in Hebrew, the name “Jesus” is written ישוע which is transliterated as “yeshu‘a” and pronounced yeshūa.
Finally, in Latin, the Holy Name is written Iesus which gives us the English “Jesus”, since the “j” often replaces the “i” at the beginning of a word (as well as between vowels).

Chi (x) and Rho (p), CHRist
The insignia “IHS” comes from the Latinized version of the Greek ιησους, [UPDATE: In Greek capitals this would be ΙΗΣΟΥΣ or IHSOUS in Latin letters] taking the first three letters in capitals IHS(ous). Much as the popular “chi-rho” symbol (pictured right, X – P) comes from the first two letters of the Greek word for Christ, χριστος (Christos) – XPistos.
This is the true meaning of IHS, it is the first three letters of the Greek spelling of the Holy Name of Jesus. The insignia is nothing more (and nothing less) than the symbol of the Holy Name.
Iesus Hominum Salvator – Jesus the Savior of men
It is popular legend that the IHS stands for the Latin phrase Iesus Hominum Salvator, “Jesus the Savior of (all) Men”. While this is a fine devotion, it is not historically accurate.
The IHS symbol was so popular that it is not uncommon to find the Latin Iesus misspelled as IHeSus (with the “H” added, though in Greek this “h” is equivalent to the Latin “e”).
In fact, the first known use of the IHS abbreviation comes in the 8th century: “DN IHS CHS REX REGNANTIUM”, the first three words being abbreviated from “DomiNus IHeSus CHristuS” – “The Lord Jesus Christ is the King of Kings”. For a further explanation of the history of the IHS, see the Catholic Encyclopedia article [here] and [here].
Still, although historically inaccurate, there is certainly nothing wrong with seeing in this insignia a testimony to the truth that there is no other name under heaven given to men, whereby we must be saved (Acts 4:12). Most certainly, Jesus alone is the Savior and without his grace we can neither attain nor even desire everlasting life.
In Hoc Signo vinces – In this sign, you will conquer
After three nails were added under the insignia (together with a cross above), some noticed that the inscription now contained a “V” below the IHS – so that we see IHSV. (see image on the side) In this form it was adopted by St. Ignatius as the symbol of the Jesuits.
IHSV was interpreted to mean In Hoc Signo Vinces, “In this sign, you shall conquer”. It was taken as a reference to the victory which Constantine won against Maxentius at the Milvian Bridge on 28 October 312. Before the battle, the future Emperor saw a sign in the sky (probably the Greek chi-rho X-P, the symbol of “Christ”) and heard the words εν τουτω νικα, which is Greek for “In this [sign], you shall conquer”. The phrase was translated into Latin and it was noticed that the first letters of each word added up to IHSV – thus was born the legend that IHS stood for Constantine’s vision and the Christianization of Rome.
ulfberth is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th September 2015, 02:04 PM   #8
Jim McDougall
Arms Historian
 
Jim McDougall's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Route 66
Posts: 9,945
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ulfberth
Hi Casey,

below a rather complete explanation:

What IHS really means – Jesus
The name “Jesus”, in Greek, is written ιησους which is transliterated as “ihsous” and pronounced iēsous. This is the Holy Name as it was written in the Gospels.
However, in Hebrew, the name “Jesus” is written ישוע which is transliterated as “yeshu‘a” and pronounced yeshūa.
Finally, in Latin, the Holy Name is written Iesus which gives us the English “Jesus”, since the “j” often replaces the “i” at the beginning of a word (as well as between vowels).

Chi (x) and Rho (p), CHRist
The insignia “IHS” comes from the Latinized version of the Greek ιησους, [UPDATE: In Greek capitals this would be ΙΗΣΟΥΣ or IHSOUS in Latin letters] taking the first three letters in capitals IHS(ous). Much as the popular “chi-rho” symbol (pictured right, X – P) comes from the first two letters of the Greek word for Christ, χριστος (Christos) – XPistos.
This is the true meaning of IHS, it is the first three letters of the Greek spelling of the Holy Name of Jesus. The insignia is nothing more (and nothing less) than the symbol of the Holy Name.
Iesus Hominum Salvator – Jesus the Savior of men
It is popular legend that the IHS stands for the Latin phrase Iesus Hominum Salvator, “Jesus the Savior of (all) Men”. While this is a fine devotion, it is not historically accurate.
The IHS symbol was so popular that it is not uncommon to find the Latin Iesus misspelled as IHeSus (with the “H” added, though in Greek this “h” is equivalent to the Latin “e”).
In fact, the first known use of the IHS abbreviation comes in the 8th century: “DN IHS CHS REX REGNANTIUM”, the first three words being abbreviated from “DomiNus IHeSus CHristuS” – “The Lord Jesus Christ is the King of Kings”. For a further explanation of the history of the IHS, see the Catholic Encyclopedia article [here] and [here].
Still, although historically inaccurate, there is certainly nothing wrong with seeing in this insignia a testimony to the truth that there is no other name under heaven given to men, whereby we must be saved (Acts 4:12). Most certainly, Jesus alone is the Savior and without his grace we can neither attain nor even desire everlasting life.
In Hoc Signo vinces – In this sign, you will conquer
After three nails were added under the insignia (together with a cross above), some noticed that the inscription now contained a “V” below the IHS – so that we see IHSV. (see image on the side) In this form it was adopted by St. Ignatius as the symbol of the Jesuits.
IHSV was interpreted to mean In Hoc Signo Vinces, “In this sign, you shall conquer”. It was taken as a reference to the victory which Constantine won against Maxentius at the Milvian Bridge on 28 October 312. Before the battle, the future Emperor saw a sign in the sky (probably the Greek chi-rho X-P, the symbol of “Christ”) and heard the words εν τουτω νικα, which is Greek for “In this [sign], you shall conquer”. The phrase was translated into Latin and it was noticed that the first letters of each word added up to IHSV – thus was born the legend that IHS stood for Constantine’s vision and the Christianization of Rome.


This is an absolutely superb rendition of the actual interpretation of this abbreviation used so often in inscriptions and invocations on blades!
Outstanding work Ulfberth, and thank you for placing this, not to mention sharing this excellent dagger.
The 'seahorse' mark, was this not some sort of Italian motif or device?
It seems it may have had something to do with Venice, but need to find those notes.
Jim McDougall is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 11:23 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Posts are regarded as being copyrighted by their authors and the act of posting material is deemed to be a granting of an irrevocable nonexclusive license for display here.