Id on these flintlock pistols please!

daggpil · 5th March 2021, 10:30 AM

Hello Gentlemen (and Ladies?)

These pistols are for me somewhat of a mystery regarding country of origin and perhaps age.

They came from an old well renowned Polish collection that were scattered in the late thirties.

Length is 49 cm and all steel parts are lavishly decorated with abundance of figures and human faces. I cant pin-point in which cultural context these ornaments belong. I assume that it is from somewhere in middle east/Turkey/Balkans or even africa.
I rule out countries that have islamic religion due to the fact that depiction of humans are not in line with that belief.

Quality is somewhere in the middle and as you can see a bit naive perhaps and some of the figures looks like ancient roman warriors.

These pistols have now been puzzling me for a year and I am thankful if anyone can tell me what it is?

daggpil · 5th March 2021, 10:31 AM

two more pictures

Fernando K · 5th March 2021, 01:21 PM

Hello}
From what I know of the chiseled (chissel and hamer) the work on the forniture seems to me to be cast. The chisel cuts are neater, and here they are rounded and blurred IMHO it is a tourist piece. It would be necessary to know what material they are, also the lock and the barrel

Affectionately

daggpil · 5th March 2021, 01:58 PM

Hello,

Oh no, they are not casted. Its the real deal (steel) and they are old.

Br/Ulrik

Kubur · 6th March 2021, 06:12 PM

Hi

Don't worry, of course they are old and if you don't want them, call me!
I cracked the origin of this kind of pistol a few years ago,

They are Albanian for the North African market

please see

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ght=montenegro

Ulcinj was a town to the South of Montenegro and an Albanian centre of pistols production. The town had trade links with Egypt and Tunisia.
Albanesi traders and merceneries worked notably with egypt, Tunisa and Algeria

Post 13

M ELEY · 7th March 2021, 12:56 AM

Excellent pistols indeed! These types might have seen service with the Corsairs as well!

daggpil · 8th March 2021, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kubur

Hi

Don't worry, of course they are old and if you don't want them, call me!
I cracked the origin of this kind of pistol a few years ago,

They are Albanian for the North African market

please see

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ght=montenegro

Ulcinj was a town to the South of Montenegro and an Albanian centre of pistols production. The town had trade links with Egypt and Tunisia.
Albanesi traders and merceneries worked notably with egypt, Tunisa and Algeria

Post 13

GREAT NEWS! Thank you! Finally I know what they are from and can they be dated? My guess is the second half och the 18th century or beginning of 19th. Best regards/Ulrik S

5th March 2021, 10:30 AM	#1
daggpil Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 25	Id on these flintlock pistols please! Hello Gentlemen (and Ladies?) These pistols are for me somewhat of a mystery regarding country of origin and perhaps age. They came from an old well renowned Polish collection that were scattered in the late thirties. Length is 49 cm and all steel parts are lavishly decorated with abundance of figures and human faces. I cant pin-point in which cultural context these ornaments belong. I assume that it is from somewhere in middle east/Turkey/Balkans or even africa. I rule out countries that have islamic religion due to the fact that depiction of humans are not in line with that belief. Quality is somewhere in the middle and as you can see a bit naive perhaps and some of the figures looks like ancient roman warriors. These pistols have now been puzzling me for a year and I am thankful if anyone can tell me what it is? Attached Images

5th March 2021, 10:31 AM	#2
daggpil Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 25	more pictures two more pictures Attached Images

5th March 2021, 01:21 PM	#3
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 669	Hello} From what I know of the chiseled (chissel and hamer) the work on the forniture seems to me to be cast. The chisel cuts are neater, and here they are rounded and blurred IMHO it is a tourist piece. It would be necessary to know what material they are, also the lock and the barrel Affectionately

5th March 2021, 01:58 PM	#4
daggpil Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 25	Hello, Oh no, they are not casted. Its the real deal (steel) and they are old. Br/Ulrik

6th March 2021, 06:12 PM	#5
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Hi Don't worry, of course they are old and if you don't want them, call me! I cracked the origin of this kind of pistol a few years ago, They are Albanian for the North African market please see http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ght=montenegro Ulcinj was a town to the South of Montenegro and an Albanian centre of pistols production. The town had trade links with Egypt and Tunisia. Albanesi traders and merceneries worked notably with egypt, Tunisa and Algeria Post 13

7th March 2021, 12:56 AM	#6
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,089	Excellent pistols indeed! These types might have seen service with the Corsairs as well!