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1st May 2020, 02:55 PM | #1 |
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Centipede Aceh
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Is anyone knows about the magical power of centipedes in Aceh and why this animal and which kind of power it gives? Thanks!! Kubur |
1st May 2020, 11:00 PM | #2 |
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Hello Kubur,
I haven't seen centipedes depicted in Aceh, I believe. What are you looking at? Anyway, centipedes are really fierce fighters. Regards, Kai |
2nd May 2020, 08:18 AM | #3 |
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Hi Kai,
I was refering to some keris blades but also some peurise shields. It will be difficult to develop as the thread is now not connected to weapons... Very best Kubur |
2nd May 2020, 11:19 AM | #4 |
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I think that centipede as also eaten during some magical procession in indonesia. I saw a video with a guy cutting himself the tong, then put a brunch a living centiped in the mouth, chew everything then show us a uncut tong.
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2nd May 2020, 06:24 PM | #5 |
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So your question is in relations to weaponry, like when it is seen on weaponry?
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5th May 2020, 10:12 AM | #8 |
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This centipede, among other designs, is on the blade of the sikin panjang discussed, with photographs, in the thread 'Gayo? sikin panjang with talismans in etched raised relief', 21 Apr. 2014. Centipedes are said to move silently and strike painfully.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=loedjoe |
5th May 2020, 10:26 AM | #9 |
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Thank you all!
This is not my geographic area. But I killed so many that I developed and interest for the centipedes. I found that on the web Rencong Meukure (meukuree) differ from the other types in that the blade is decorated with talismanic images of snakes, centipedes, flowers or other designs. The designs interpreted as recognizing certain privileges and conferring certain advantages. This type, carefully preserved and cared for over generations, is deemed to have the greatest magical power. |
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Note : Atjeh or Aceh always has been (and still is) a very strong religious region, hence I believe you will not be able to find much about magical power of centipedes over there as this is considred haram / forbidden from their perspective . Which makes me believe ( and I might be utterly mistaken) that the origin of the magical powers has is roots not in Atjeh / Aceh but elswhere in Sumatra. If one leaves out the "magical powers" and refers to the centipede as an example / fighting reference like it is used in pencak silat from Sumatra there might be more to it when discussing Aceh / Atjeh Last edited by gp; 14th May 2020 at 10:31 PM. |
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I am a bit confused about the keris you have chosen to posted here and their relevance to the subject at hand as well ad what you have written. Firstly you are discussing Sumatran origins of the magical powers of the centipede in your last post, yet all the keris you are posting are from Java. The keris on the red background is a reasonably nice antique keris. But the pamor pattern here has nothing to do with centipedes so i do not see it's relevance here. This other "toothy" keris you have posted is also of Javanese origin, but it is something of an abomination i'm afraid. It wouldn't have been so terrible if someone had not taken a power tool to it and attempted to make it into something "unusual", perhaps in the hopes of attracting a buyer with a story about it being some kind of "rarity". But this is not acceptable pakem for any keris that i am aware of. This treatment is completely non-traditional and has no actual meaning within Javanese culture. This was most probably an alteration to previously existing blade. If the intention was to make it into something that represents a centipede it was done with no attention to cultural norms or traditions for the Javanese keris. |
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14th May 2020, 09:51 PM | #12 |
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no offfence taken, but I was refering to Aceh / Atjeh which is Sumatra, being the start of the topic, sorry if that was not clear and also my other mishaps.
Perhaps better to delete my last contribution as it caused dissatisfaction... Last edited by gp; 15th May 2020 at 12:03 AM. |
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It's not a question of dissatisfaction GP. I am just trying to understand the visual illustrations you have chosen to make your points. These Javanese keris do not have any connection whatsoever to Sumatra or, more specifically Aceh. I don't understand the connection you are attempting to make in posting them and as a collector of keris as well as one of the moderators of the keris forum i am simply trying to see to it that people on this forum, who may or may not have much background in keris, do not get confused about the intent of the keris or it's relationship, which seem rather slight, to the discussion at hand. That is all.
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