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I bought this some time ago from the same gent that provided the Erbach Sword.
It is 16.5" o/a with an 11.25" blade. The grip is wire wrapped with a twisted pair alternating with two parallel wire strands. Rather attractive but original? Who knows. I had thought that the blade was a piece from a rapier repurposed but I doubt that now for the following reasons... -The inscription is near the point, rather further than what one would expect to see on a rapier. Then again, I suppose that the inscription could have been added any time. -there is a tiny ricasso and the hilt end of the blade does not end abruptly. Again, if the maker took care with a fragment from a broken sword this could be accomplished but ... dunno. Overall it does not give the impression of being slapped together. Finally ... the inscription ... I read IOANNES MAG???? It is repeated on both sides. There are no other marks that I can see. Does this inscription ring a bell? Thoughts? |
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Based on the photos, the grip wire is a replacement. On original swords, the wire is a lot finer. This wire is too thick in my opinion. The markings in the fuller are fine, fairly typical of a mid 17th to early 18th Century smallsword or rapier. Unfortunately the names of notable smiths were often copied with additional markings that were often misspelled so it could be for one of the famous Johannes or, it might not be.
Looking at the photos, I believe that this was a rapier or smallsword blade that has been cutdown then assembled into a dagger. My instinct says more recently (by a couple 100 years) than from when the blade was first forged. Last edited by Radboud; 3rd June 2024 at 08:52 PM. |
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Why cut down?
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I can only operate on the photos as shown, but the tip doesn’t look symmetrical in them. Also it looks very thick.
Finally, it looks ‘wrong’ to me, especially with that fuller running all the way up like that. This is exactly the kind of forte I would expect to see on a cup hilted rapier or smallsword of the period I mentioned. |
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Look at the shoulder where the ricosso is. That is forged. The fuller is filled in.
Does not look like a retrofit. I thought is was for the longest time. |
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Also look at the tip of the blade, the fuller terminates at a flat section that continues to the point, giving it a screwdriver point. If original you'd expect that to narrow down to a point from the fuller. |
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What I meant was that it looks like a purpose made blade for a dagger, not something that's reworked. It is loose.
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