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Hello,
Here is my birthday present received a few days ago. It has some points in common (at the handle) with a pedang of palembang hinterlands posted a few days ago, but the shape of the blade is very different. The blade is very wide at its base (1,5cm) but especially it has a Kembang Kacang and a very nice pamor that looks like pamor "Udan mas" of keris. There is some remaining red paint at the base of the floral part of the handle. The sheath seems a little more recent than the rest of the sword. |
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Hello Séverin,
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In a recent thread, I believed at least a subset might originate from northern Malaya (Kelantan/Pattani); there seem to be some other leads, too. I'm still researching this topic. BTW, mine example has complex surface-manipulated pamor, too! Quote:
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Hello Severin,
just my feeling and like this a guess, I think it's from Sunda but can't be sure. I've seen similar blade shapes, special with kembang kacang from Sunda. And I've never seen pamor udan mas by weapons from Sumatra or Malaysia. Very nice sword by the way!! ![]() Best regards, Detlef |
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Hello Detlef,
Yes, Sunda is one of the leads I'm looking into - maybe Amuk Murugul would be kind enough to contribute some insights? Regards, Kai |
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A very nice Pedang.
I have a Palembang Keris with quite similar Udan Mas style pamor, except for it has an Odo2, so not three indentations in a row. The way how cutting edge becomes thick just before the first "tooth" (which I am used to call Ri Pandan) of Jenggot on that Pedang (if I see it correctly, another shot of exactly that feature would be helpful) is typical for region around Palembang. |
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"Kai : - I reckon the darker grip part wasn't painted (braided wire work partly missing)? Do you have any examples of the typical Palembang lacquer work? How does this painted pommel compare with the former?"
Yes it misses a part of the wire (2 wires of iron / silver? / other ?? twisted). Yes only the part under the "flower" is paint, not the floral motif. Sheath doesn't seem painted but rather covered with a colored varnish. The wood itself seems naturally already a little colored. |
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Hello Séverin,
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![]() Apologies for the late response. I was unaware until alerted to this post. My cursory guesstimate: Pedang Toebles (cut-thrust). Blade: made according to eastern Soenda (Galoeh) protocol. Handle: stylised (vegetal) Makara/Naga-Paksi. Pamor: not an issue under traditional Soenda values; 'whatever comes out of the melting-pot’, not built-in design. Probably late-18thC. - early-19thC Tjaroeban/Tjirebon. Hope this helps. Best, |
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Hullo AM,
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There also seem to be other examples of Sunda blades with "designed" pamor types. Are these just exceptions? Regards, Kai |
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Until now I had only seen kacang kembang on Sumatra's sabers. I have another Sumatra sword with a kacang kembang (very badly done) and a label indicating Aceh as coming from, but strangely its handle is reminding the Batak handle |
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sadly I am not able to post pictures from this sword since it's not mine but the owner is a member of this forum, I will give the member a hint, maybe he will post pictures from his sword. Best regards, Detlef |
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