Burgonet helmet for id

Cerjak · 14th October 2012, 11:52 AM

Hi everybody this is my last buying and I would like to know more about this helmet ,I have seen a lot of burgonet pictures but I could not find similar exemplar in order to determinate origin and period .
I hope that I could find in this forum those information’s.
Any comment on it will be welcome
Regards
Cerjak

Cerjak · 14th October 2012, 12:48 PM

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Cerjak · 14th October 2012, 12:57 PM

more pics

A Senefelder · 14th October 2012, 06:46 PM

I would be interested in folks opinions on this as well. I have one of nearly identicle form, missing its cheek plates and with lots of rust. I've seen a number of this style on ebay over the last ten years ( there was one on just last month ) which has made me hesitant on dating/authenticating ( I paid next to nothing for mine so no tears if its not legit ). There is one of this style in Europäische Helme identified as being Flemish. Mine does not have as pronounced a crest/comb as this but otherwise is identicle. The rivets which should carry the leather lining band to which the helmet liner would be sewn just being flat piened, that is no cut washer to hold leather, simply piened flat to the inner surface of the metal has always given me pause as well. Looking forward to hearing folks thoughts.

Cerjak · 14th October 2012, 08:00 PM

Thank you Senefelder
I had forgotten this book !
I 've found similar HELM n°76 German HELMET FROM THE 16 TH C.
But I could not read this german description from this helmet so if it could translated it will be fantastic.
Regards

Cerjak

A Senefelder · 14th October 2012, 09:09 PM

#76 is exactly the helmet I was thinking of.

theswordcollector · 2nd November 2012, 05:32 PM

Wonderful helmet 100% German .Nice to see a complete original piece

A Senefelder · 9th November 2012, 09:27 PM

Thread resurrection. This is the one I have, mentioned earlier in the thread. Due to the uncertainty of authenticity mentioned above i've never done anything with it beyond oiling. Said oiling has never made that odd orange rust patch ( looks like active rust ) go away, its always remained brighter in color but the metal is in the same condition as the darker " in active " rust. There is roping faintly visible along sections of the rolled and counter sunk borders. As mentioned earlier and visible in the profile picture there is nowhere near as pronounced a comb, in fact I would call what my helmet has more of a medial ridge.

Cerjak · 8th May 2013, 07:45 PM

I Found some pictures from a very similar examplar said to be 16th century European Burgonet helmet circa 1550-1600
It is realy amazing for me to think that this two helmets had been in the same place few centuries ago...

A Senefelder · 10th May 2013, 03:10 PM

Jean, excellent pics. I wondered how similar the missing cheek plates mine were to the ones your had, Maybe if I get a little free time ( free time whats that, who am I kidding ) i'll try making up a set of replacement cheek plates based on these pics to rest with the helmet ( just to sit beside it. It retains half the original hinges and I would not think of removing those ).

Cerjak · 10th May 2013, 07:47 PM

Allan

If you need better pictures from the cheek plates let me know it will be for me a pleasure to send it to you

Kind regards

Cerjak

14th October 2012, 11:52 AM	#1
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	Burgonet helmet for id Hi everybody this is my last buying and I would like to know more about this helmet ,I have seen a lot of burgonet pictures but I could not find similar exemplar in order to determinate origin and period . I hope that I could find in this forum those information’s. Any comment on it will be welcome Regards Cerjak Attached Images

14th October 2012, 12:48 PM	#2
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	more photos mores photos Attached Images

14th October 2012, 12:57 PM	#3
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	more pics more pics Attached Images

14th October 2012, 08:00 PM	#5
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	EUROPAISCHE HELME Thank you Senefelder I had forgotten this book ! I 've found similar HELM n°76 German HELMET FROM THE 16 TH C. But I could not read this german description from this helmet so if it could translated it will be fantastic. Regards Cerjak Attached Images

9th November 2012, 09:27 PM	#8
A Senefelder Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 214	Thread resurrection. This is the one I have, mentioned earlier in the thread. Due to the uncertainty of authenticity mentioned above i've never done anything with it beyond oiling. Said oiling has never made that odd orange rust patch ( looks like active rust ) go away, its always remained brighter in color but the metal is in the same condition as the darker " in active " rust. There is roping faintly visible along sections of the rolled and counter sunk borders. As mentioned earlier and visible in the profile picture there is nowhere near as pronounced a comb, in fact I would call what my helmet has more of a medial ridge. Attached Images

14th October 2012, 06:46 PM	#4
A Senefelder Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 214	I would be interested in folks opinions on this as well. I have one of nearly identicle form, missing its cheek plates and with lots of rust. I've seen a number of this style on ebay over the last ten years ( there was one on just last month ) which has made me hesitant on dating/authenticating ( I paid next to nothing for mine so no tears if its not legit ). There is one of this style in Europäische Helme identified as being Flemish. Mine does not have as pronounced a crest/comb as this but otherwise is identicle. The rivets which should carry the leather lining band to which the helmet liner would be sewn just being flat piened, that is no cut washer to hold leather, simply piened flat to the inner surface of the metal has always given me pause as well. Looking forward to hearing folks thoughts.

14th October 2012, 09:09 PM	#6
A Senefelder Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 214	#76 is exactly the helmet I was thinking of.

2nd November 2012, 05:32 PM	#7
theswordcollector Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Berlin Posts: 48	Wonderful helmet 100% German .Nice to see a complete original piece

8th May 2013, 07:45 PM	#9
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	I Found some pictures from a very similar examplar said to be 16th century European Burgonet helmet circa 1550-1600 It is realy amazing for me to think that this two helmets had been in the same place few centuries ago... Attached Images

10th May 2013, 03:10 PM	#10
A Senefelder Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 214	Jean, excellent pics. I wondered how similar the missing cheek plates mine were to the ones your had, Maybe if I get a little free time ( free time whats that, who am I kidding ) i'll try making up a set of replacement cheek plates based on these pics to rest with the helmet ( just to sit beside it. It retains half the original hinges and I would not think of removing those ).

10th May 2013, 07:47 PM	#11
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	Allan If you need better pictures from the cheek plates let me know it will be for me a pleasure to send it to you Kind regards Cerjak