Dukun keris & other keris esoterica

Jussi M. · 16th August 2012, 10:34 PM

Greetings,

Probably the title I chose is an oxymoron of sorts as is not pretty much everything to do with the keris a bit esoteric ?

Anyway, whilst all kerises are by definition (as in not keris like objects) unusual in their singularity, there are some that are more unusual than most. I gather this dress would pass as esoteric?

Word is free.

Thanks,

J.

Rick · 16th August 2012, 11:20 PM

This looks like a Kalimantan style dress .
Usually they are trade blades of little value .
The teeth are probably canine .

Jussi, could you upload the pictures to the site please .

VANDOO · 17th August 2012, 05:34 AM

YEP KALANMANTAN STYLE YOU ALSO SEE MANDAU, SHIELDS AND SPEARS FROM THE SAME AREA DECORATED UP LIKE THIS. MY BEST GUESS ON THE TEETH IS PERHAPS THE FRONT LOWER TEETH OF A COW OR WATER BUFFALOW. NOT DOG TEETH ON ANY OF MY EXAMPLES. BUT AS MENTIONED THE BLADES ARE NOT IN GOOD SHAPE ON MY TWO EXAMPLES AT LEAST. VERY BARBARIC LOOKING ITEMS WITH PAINT HAIR , BONES AND SUCH.

asomotif · 17th August 2012, 12:19 PM

I am not sure if esoteric is the correct name for this keris...

Here is a link to other weapons from the same production series.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...mandau+tourist

I have never seen a picture of someone wearing this style of weapons in a traditional/ tribal setting.
Unfortunately it is referred to as "Kalimantan" style.

Best regards,
Willem

VANDOO · 17th August 2012, 04:23 PM

SORRY ABOUT THE TERM KALAMANTAN STYLE

, IT CERTIANLY IS NOTHING LIKE WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY MADE BY THE INDIGINOUS TRIBES IN THE OLD DAYS. THAT JUST SEEMS TO BE THE LOCAL WHERE THESE ITEMS ARE BEING MADE.
I WONDER IF THESE ARE BEING MADE BY PEOPLE RELOCATED BY THE INDONESIAN GOVERNMENT TO KALAMANTAN? THEY DO LOOK LIKE SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE ORIGINATED IN BALI FOR THE TOURIST MARKET NOT A OLD TRADITIONAL DAYAK FORM AND DESIGN.
PLASTIC TEETH, I HAVE SEEN VERY REALISTIC SHARK TEETH MADE OF PLASTIC FOR SOME TIME BUT NEVER THOUGHT TO CHECK THESE COW OR PLASTI COW TEETH.

dbhmgb · 17th August 2012, 04:25 PM

A bit ago one similar to that popped up on eBay. I sent a PM to another forum member questioning the item. Thankfully, I was given a good education.

Henk · 17th August 2012, 07:23 PM

We discussed these kind of keris before.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=guinea
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ght=naga+sasra

By the way, what this guy in his best dress is doing? I don´t understand.

16th August 2012, 10:34 PM	#1
Jussi M. Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 235	Dukun keris & other keris esoterica Greetings, Probably the title I chose is an oxymoron of sorts as is not pretty much everything to do with the keris a bit esoteric ? Anyway, whilst all kerises are by definition (as in not keris like objects) unusual in their singularity, there are some that are more unusual than most. I gather this dress would pass as esoteric? Word is free. Thanks, J. Attached Images Last edited by Jussi M.; 17th August 2012 at 06:44 AM.

16th August 2012, 11:20 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,290	This looks like a Kalimantan style dress . Usually they are trade blades of little value . The teeth are probably canine . Jussi, could you upload the pictures to the site please .

17th August 2012, 05:34 AM	#3
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	YEP KALANMANTAN STYLE YOU ALSO SEE MANDAU, SHIELDS AND SPEARS FROM THE SAME AREA DECORATED UP LIKE THIS. MY BEST GUESS ON THE TEETH IS PERHAPS THE FRONT LOWER TEETH OF A COW OR WATER BUFFALOW. NOT DOG TEETH ON ANY OF MY EXAMPLES. BUT AS MENTIONED THE BLADES ARE NOT IN GOOD SHAPE ON MY TWO EXAMPLES AT LEAST. VERY BARBARIC LOOKING ITEMS WITH PAINT HAIR , BONES AND SUCH.

17th August 2012, 12:19 PM	#4
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,224	I am not sure if esoteric is the correct name for this keris... Here is a link to other weapons from the same production series. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...mandau+tourist I have never seen a picture of someone wearing this style of weapons in a traditional/ tribal setting. Unfortunately it is referred to as "Kalimantan" style. Best regards, Willem

17th August 2012, 04:23 PM	#5
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	SORRY ABOUT THE TERM KALAMANTAN STYLE , IT CERTIANLY IS NOTHING LIKE WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY MADE BY THE INDIGINOUS TRIBES IN THE OLD DAYS. THAT JUST SEEMS TO BE THE LOCAL WHERE THESE ITEMS ARE BEING MADE. I WONDER IF THESE ARE BEING MADE BY PEOPLE RELOCATED BY THE INDONESIAN GOVERNMENT TO KALAMANTAN? THEY DO LOOK LIKE SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE ORIGINATED IN BALI FOR THE TOURIST MARKET NOT A OLD TRADITIONAL DAYAK FORM AND DESIGN. PLASTIC TEETH, I HAVE SEEN VERY REALISTIC SHARK TEETH MADE OF PLASTIC FOR SOME TIME BUT NEVER THOUGHT TO CHECK THESE COW OR PLASTI COW TEETH.

17th August 2012, 04:25 PM	#6
dbhmgb Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 112	A bit ago one similar to that popped up on eBay. I sent a PM to another forum member questioning the item. Thankfully, I was given a good education.

17th August 2012, 07:23 PM	#7
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	We discussed these kind of keris before. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=guinea http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ght=naga+sasra By the way, what this guy in his best dress is doing? I don´t understand.