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Shakethetrees · 22nd February 2015, 07:41 PM

This dagger is 18" overall with a 13" blade. The grip is of green horn. An interesting feature is the stubby guard with bulbous quillions. The layering of its wrought iron manufacture is evident in the second image.

The long raised rib was probably there to increase the stiffness of the double edged blade.

So, my general idea is that it probably dates from the 17th century and possibly from as late as circa 1720's.

The guard, offset grip and overall proportions lead me to believe it falls somewhere in this date range.

As far as country of origin, I have not been convinced yet.

The green horn was from a species of cattle that was, according to one source, from Germany and was exported to different countries to be used as knife/edged weapon grips.

The quillions bear a strong resemblance to turnings found on Baroque era Northern European furniture, with a subset of that style being called "Jacobean" in England.

I welcome any comments, questions or additions. This dagger is not what I usually find, (or pursue), for that matter, so my comments are based solely on the study of images found in paintings, and furniture from the 17th century and slightly later.

Shakethetrees · 22nd February 2015, 07:50 PM

There is a false backstrap carved integrally from the horn grip.

The oval pommel is mounted with a wrought iron cap, securing the peened tang button.

Shakethetrees · 22nd February 2015, 07:52 PM

It would help if I remembered to add the images!

corrado26 · 23rd February 2015, 08:06 AM

How large is the blade directly under the quillon in cm, please?
corrado26

Shakethetrees · 25th February 2015, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by corrado26

How large is the blade directly under the quillon in cm, please?
corrado26

Across the width of the ricasso right next to the cross guard is 27mm.

corrado26 · 25th February 2015, 07:14 AM

I have the suspision that this object could have been made from an Austrian bajonett M 1854 for the Lorenz-rifle. This bajonet has a width at the end of its blade of 26,9mm.
corrado26

22nd February 2015, 07:41 PM	#1
Shakethetrees Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Louisiana Posts: 363	New acquisition This dagger is 18" overall with a 13" blade. The grip is of green horn. An interesting feature is the stubby guard with bulbous quillions. The layering of its wrought iron manufacture is evident in the second image. The long raised rib was probably there to increase the stiffness of the double edged blade. So, my general idea is that it probably dates from the 17th century and possibly from as late as circa 1720's. The guard, offset grip and overall proportions lead me to believe it falls somewhere in this date range. As far as country of origin, I have not been convinced yet. The green horn was from a species of cattle that was, according to one source, from Germany and was exported to different countries to be used as knife/edged weapon grips. The quillions bear a strong resemblance to turnings found on Baroque era Northern European furniture, with a subset of that style being called "Jacobean" in England. I welcome any comments, questions or additions. This dagger is not what I usually find, (or pursue), for that matter, so my comments are based solely on the study of images found in paintings, and furniture from the 17th century and slightly later. Attached Images

22nd February 2015, 07:50 PM	#2
Shakethetrees Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Louisiana Posts: 363	More images There is a false backstrap carved integrally from the horn grip. The oval pommel is mounted with a wrought iron cap, securing the peened tang button. Last edited by Shakethetrees; 22nd February 2015 at 07:51 PM. Reason: Mis spelled word!

22nd February 2015, 07:52 PM	#3
Shakethetrees Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Louisiana Posts: 363	It would help if I remembered to add the images! Attached Images

25th February 2015, 07:14 AM	#6
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,204	I have the suspision that this object could have been made from an Austrian bajonett M 1854 for the Lorenz-rifle. This bajonet has a width at the end of its blade of 26,9mm. corrado26 Attached Images

23rd February 2015, 08:06 AM	#4
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,204	How large is the blade directly under the quillon in cm, please? corrado26