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Dear all,
a couple of month ago I aquired this pistol, which is likely Italian (Brescia?) and from the end of the 17th century (other opinions warmly appreciated). The first part of the shaft was missing, so I used the long evenings nowadays to replace it. I like the metal fittings with the dragon heads and the grotesque head at the knob and the guard. Does anyone know the marking on the lock? Best regards Andreas |
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Hello
Of course it's Italian. Lock of miquelete, to the Roman, It is very old, for the length of the cannon, of the middle / ends of the 17th century. Regarding P. F. I am going to bucar if I find something in my papers The stone screw seems not to be original affectionately |
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In Agostino Gaibi, Armi da Fuoco Italiane there is an extensive list of Italian gunmakers from 1500-1850. I found there three gunmakers with the initials "PF" working in the time from ca. 1660 to 1720. These are
FRANCESE, Paolo, Brescia 1675-1700 FRASSINI, Pietro, Brescia 1698-1734 FORNAZI, Pietro Paolo, Brescia 1650-1685. The pistol is certainly made in the years between 1680 and 1700, a very similar one is pictured in the above book under n°183. This was made by Agostino BARBAGLI in Brescia ca 1680. Its calibre is 12mm. From the foto you can see how the cock should look like. corrado26 |
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Hey There,
great! Thanks for the answers and the information on the possible makers. If I should guess, I would say it was made by Mr Francese, as his (working?) dates fit best. Foranzi would be a bit too early and maybe would have put a second P as his initials. Frassini was a bit too late. The calibre of this gun here is also 12mm. Sure, the screw is not the original one. But it seems to be there since a long time. So it somehow belongs to the gun. Cheerio Andreas |
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Hi Andreas.
That is a very nice, early Italian pistol. Congratulations. A question: Is the lock a three (3) screw lockplate ? Looks like one of the lockplate screws is missing. Rick |
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Hello
The third screw was used to fix the waist hook, here missing Affectionately |
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Sadly, allocating the pistol to cental Italy means that Paolo Francese (or one of the other two, certainly isn´t the maker of this gun. Is there still any possibility to assign the initials "P.F."? Kind regards Andreas |
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I am faced with this conundrum at present with a piece in my collection, a hunting rifle built on an Austrian damascus barrel signed by Johann Schifter, 1690s, with typical Italian stock and everything else fitted to it. The Roman-style lock is marked only with D P on the inside of the plate. The trouble is that the only possibilities I have seen are two gunsmiths who had workshops in Rome, ca 1700, Domenico Principi and Domenico Politti. No facsimile of their "signatures" is contained in the only reference book that I have on them, and it seems that for many makers, the complier got information from documents such as municipal tax records that just mention names and occupations, not showing the actual markings on the objects themselves. |
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