sudanese islamic dagger?

kronckew · 12th April 2007, 08:59 PM

hi y'all;

don't usually like african stuff (other than flyssa's, spears, assegai & knobkerries) but thought i''d gamble a small amt. on this one as i liked it & i won it for next to nothing. is it what it says it is? if so, my 1st sudanese one (had my eye on a shotel recently but it went over my budget)

Sudanese Rumbek Jur Scrimshaw Bone Knife

looks like a bit of cleanup and oiling in order on arrival.

spiral · 12th April 2007, 09:25 PM

Hi Kronkew, Yep thats a Sudanese dagger indeed, Congratulations!

The Rumbek Jur are a tribe, but I dont know whether this is there type of dagger, I expect one of the African collectors will know.

Spiral

katana · 13th April 2007, 08:33 AM

Hi Kronckew,
check this thread

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=triple

Regards David

katana · 13th April 2007, 11:31 AM

I am not so sure that these daggers originated with the Rumbek Jur .....these two knives have similarities to each other...but not to 'ours'

http://southernsudan.prm.ox.ac.uk/details/1930.86.11/

http://southernsudan.prm.ox.ac.uk/details/1930.86.12/

Kronckew, I have seen a number of these daggers (straight and curved) without a scabbard, and assumed that they were originally part of a 'set' (of 3)..yours is the first I have seen with its own sheath. (perhaps a later 'addition'...

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kronckew · 13th April 2007, 12:35 PM

thanks, i seem to be getting into another interesting area of collecting here. i'll have to have a good look at the scabbard when it arrives. the photo i have is not the most informative, but i do not see any method of carry, belt loops or ring or any other, so it may have been a later one just to cover the blade for the last owner.

as it's the UK, i like to think that it came from the estate of a british soldier who picked it up from it's original owner who no longer needed it, on the omdurman plains outside khartoum on the 2nd of september 1898....Volley by Ranks...........

katana · 13th April 2007, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kronckew

i like to think that it came from the estate of a british soldier who picked it up from it's original owner who no longer needed it, on the omdurman plains outside khartoum on the 2nd of september 1898....[

You.....and me , both

as (if proved) it would give provenance to my triple set

I do know that the 'triple scabbard' was hung around the neck (with the sheath laying on the chest) or strapped to the top of the arm/ shoulder. If your scabbard is original...perhaps it was just placed under a belt/sash ...Arab style.

12th April 2007, 08:59 PM	#1
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,178	sudanese islamic dagger? hi y'all; don't usually like african stuff (other than flyssa's, spears, assegai & knobkerries) but thought i''d gamble a small amt. on this one as i liked it & i won it for next to nothing. is it what it says it is? if so, my 1st sudanese one (had my eye on a shotel recently but it went over my budget) Sudanese Rumbek Jur Scrimshaw Bone Knife looks like a bit of cleanup and oiling in order on arrival.

13th April 2007, 08:33 AM	#3
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	Hi Kronckew, check this thread http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=triple Regards David Last edited by katana; 13th April 2007 at 11:23 AM.

12th April 2007, 09:25 PM	#2
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	Hi Kronkew, Yep thats a Sudanese dagger indeed, Congratulations! The Rumbek Jur are a tribe, but I dont know whether this is there type of dagger, I expect one of the African collectors will know. Spiral

13th April 2007, 11:31 AM	#4
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	I am not so sure that these daggers originated with the Rumbek Jur .....these two knives have similarities to each other...but not to 'ours' http://southernsudan.prm.ox.ac.uk/details/1930.86.11/ http://southernsudan.prm.ox.ac.uk/details/1930.86.12/ Kronckew, I have seen a number of these daggers (straight and curved) without a scabbard, and assumed that they were originally part of a 'set' (of 3)..yours is the first I have seen with its own sheath. (perhaps a later 'addition'... )

13th April 2007, 12:35 PM	#5
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,178	thanks, i seem to be getting into another interesting area of collecting here. i'll have to have a good look at the scabbard when it arrives. the photo i have is not the most informative, but i do not see any method of carry, belt loops or ring or any other, so it may have been a later one just to cover the blade for the last owner. as it's the UK, i like to think that it came from the estate of a british soldier who picked it up from it's original owner who no longer needed it, on the omdurman plains outside khartoum on the 2nd of september 1898....Volley by Ranks...........